Crazy robin 2,966 Posted July 23, 2016 He'll go to whoever pays him the most! A bit like this year then😉 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,656 Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Apart from those who also run NL teams, training schools etc..... Its about running a business and having a robust business plan. No point in also running NL if it doesn't at least break even!! As for training schools, its a little difficult when you haven't got full access to your own stadium facilities and anyway investing in assets and getting them trained up in competitive action at other clubs is much better planning - both financially and future team-building wise. All power to those clubs that can and do provide training facilities. Also to Neil Vatcher (part of the Poole family ) for all his work with the younger Brits. Long may it continue. Edited July 24, 2016 by Skidder1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,806 Posted July 24, 2016 That all is as may be, my point is that Mr Ford can't be looking any further ahead than those who are nurturing 12, 13 & 14 year olds and then giving them NL team places when they turn 15. You said that he looks further ahead than any other promoter and that simply isn't true. I accept that not everyone can run NL, but Lewis Kerr for example had his first rides at Lynn some three or four years before he made his full Stars debut, and for those initial laps he was as raw as you can imagine. That is proper long term planning. Mr Ford's talent spotting skills are obviously very good but don't try and tell us all that he plans further ahead than anyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,675 Posted July 24, 2016 That all is as may be, my point is that Mr Ford can't be looking any further ahead than those who are nurturing 12, 13 & 14 year olds and then giving them NL team places when they turn 15. You said that he looks further ahead than any other promoter and that simply isn't true. I accept that not everyone can run NL, but Lewis Kerr for example had his first rides at Lynn some three or four years before he made his full Stars debut, and for those initial laps he was as raw as you can imagine. That is proper long term planning. Mr Ford's talent spotting skills are obviously very good but don't try and tell us all that he plans further ahead than anyone else. Agree, Ford cherry picks talent where the riders development has nothing to do with Poole IMO. They're pretty much ready made riders From Premier League to Elite League, there's not a lot in it in terms of stardards For me, the rider's don't further develop until they hit the Polish Ekstraliga & or Swedish Elitserien It's the same at King's Lynn with Robert Lambert. I do not believe he's improved from riding the EL compared to the PL. I think he's improved this season because he's had tasters of the Elitserien league, especially his gating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,656 Posted July 24, 2016 That all is as may be, my point is that Mr Ford can't be looking any further ahead than those who are nurturing 12, 13 & 14 year olds and then giving them NL team places when they turn 15. You said that he looks further ahead than any other promoter and that simply isn't true. I accept that not everyone can run NL, but Lewis Kerr for example had his first rides at Lynn some three or four years before he made his full Stars debut, and for those initial laps he was as raw as you can imagine. That is proper long term planning. Mr Ford's talent spotting skills are obviously very good but don't try and tell us all that he plans further ahead than anyone else. I don't see Kerr as a good example of Stars 'long term planning'. Where is Kerr riding again? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,675 Posted July 24, 2016 I don't see Kerr as a good example of Stars 'long term planning'. Where is Kerr riding again? Depends how you see long term planning. A rider going out and learning on trick tracks could be good for the future 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,108 Posted July 24, 2016 In my opinion Matt Ford has certainly planned for the future with Brady Kurtz and now Jack Holder who i believe will be as good as his brother Chris, Jack Holder will be better than Brady Kurtz in a couple of years time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy robin 2,966 Posted July 24, 2016 In my opinion Matt Ford has certainly planned for the future with Brady Kurtz and now Jack Holder who i believe will be as good as his brother Chris, Jack Holder will be better than Brady Kurtz in a couple of years time. The Aussie connection at Poole was started long before Matt Ford with Neil Street starting it off. Every team knows about the young Aussie's these days but they will always want to ride at a club where other Aussie's still ride or used to ride. Nothing great from Ford in that although to be fair he didn't sign Mr Blobby James Holder so got that spot on😉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,806 Posted July 24, 2016 I don't see Kerr as a good example of Stars 'long term planning'. Where is Kerr riding again? Completely irrelevant. He progressed from very first laps to the first team, thats long term planning. Very similar story for Lewis Rose. And as Danny says, Kerr may well be back in the future, still a club asset. Hopefully the likes of Josh Bailey, Tom Stokes, Ryan Kinsley and Lewis Whitmore will follow in their footsteps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,356 Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) In my opinion Matt Ford has certainly planned for the future with Brady Kurtz and now Jack Holder who i believe will be as good as his brother Chris, Jack Holder will be better than Brady Kurtz in a couple of years time. Both Jack and Brady were on Matts radar long before any other promoter in this country even got out of bed. As for your second part yes he could well be. He will really come into his own when he starts riding for us full time. But his ambitions will not be given to him on a plate, he will have to work hard for them.. Mr Ford's talent spotting skills are obviously very good but don't try and tell us all that he plans further ahead than anyone else. Sorry, but im afraid he does... Edited July 24, 2016 by Starman2006 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevehone 3,430 Posted July 24, 2016 Both Jack and Brady were on Matts radar long before any other promoter in this country even got out of bed. well I drove Chris Holder and a Kings Lynn promoter down to Somerset maybe 2006?? (think Somerset first season) and Chris was telling us how Jack was even better than him, so 10 years or so ago he was certainly on the radar, but with the Poole connections I don't think there was any doubt where Jack would go. now tell me, how come Darcy Ward wasn't on Matt's radar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,356 Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) well I drove Chris Holder and a Kings Lynn promoter down to Somerset maybe 2006?? (think Somerset first season) and Chris was telling us how Jack was even better than him, so 10 years or so ago he was certainly on the radar, but with the Poole connections I don't think there was any doubt where Jack would go. now tell me, how come Darcy Ward wasn't on Matt's radar He was, now tell me why he didn't stay at KL ? He wanted to ride with Chris and wanted to be at a successful club... Somerset first season, please explain ? Edited July 24, 2016 by Starman2006 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevehone 3,430 Posted July 24, 2016 He was, now tell me why he didn't stay at KL ? He wanted to ride with Chris and wanted to be at a successful club... Somerset first season, please explain ? Somerset first season in the league I know why he didn't stay at KL, and I know why he was sold instead of being loaned, and when he was at KL he won plenty of trophies 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted July 25, 2016 Has Ford got Gilmore or Lidsey on his radar Gilmore is supposed to be the next star. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,356 Posted July 25, 2016 Somerset first season in the league Somersets first season was in 2000. in the conference league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
