In My View By Phil Rising

[foamfence 2,917]

Surely this 'doubling up' is rider led?

 

They want the extra rides....sighting they can't make a decent living without it?

Well they aren't all doing it, so it seems to boil down to personal circumstances and what any particular rider means by 'decent.'

[Gresham 928]

Well they aren't all doing it, so it seems to boil down to personal circumstances and what any particular rider means by 'decent.'

I noticed a tweet by Scott Nichols saying he was disappointed his season was over, that he wanted to ride and perhaps he could get some more.

 

From what I understand, SN is on a set wage with his Prem team, not paid by points....so everything else would be extra to this.

 

Open to correction...but that's what I've been told.

 

I guess others are in the same boat.

 

I get the impression that the majority of riders would quiet happily ride every day if they could, regardless of what team it's for.

 

As a rider....it must feel odd being a team mate one meeting, then trying to beat your 'team mate' the next. Tbh....it's probably gone past that, and they feel like individuals racing, just under the banner of a team name.

[Chairboy 77]

Personally, I really don't have a problem with riders 'doubling up' in different leagues. What I find frustrating is fixture clashes causing riders to be absent. Fixed nights should pretty much solve this, shouldn't it?

[Gemini 4,894]

'Independent'?? SCB? You must be joking!! ;-) ;-) ;-)

Yes, he's independant as he doesn't have a team to support, not having one in Wales. Are you saying otherwise? I mean he has some weird ideas especially about us poor old folk but most of what he says is sensible and he's always banging on about fixture clashes so I'd give him the job in 2018. He can't do it any worse than it's been done for the last few seasons.

[SPEEDY69 1,277]

I'll reserve judgement - fixed race nights don't really appeal to me. When will all the rearranged meetings take place? And fixture clashes are not just those in the UK of course.

 

I find it difficult to get to meetings on those nights due to work and other commitments, given the travel time. I may well just become an armchair supporter - still, if it keeps Jason Doyle in Champagne then it has to be good right?

Edited September 21, 2017 by SPEEDY69

[Odds On 373]

PHILIPRISING, on 20 Sept 2017 - 4:57 PM, said:

WRONG I'm afraid ... someone much higher up the ladder.

I KEEP telling you until I am blue in the face that it is some promoters who are championing the fixed race nights.

 

and we'll keep telling you until we're blue in the face that this is mainly led by the riders.

[SCB 15]

HEARING that Mondays and Thursday for the Premiership is pretty much a done deal. No idea who will be in it and how many tracks are in danger of closing but there are at least two all but on the chopping block. Fingers crossed that they survive.

Good, sometimes you have to kill off and cut away to grow. We spent years pandering to Eastbourne in the EL, where are they now? Speedway has in the past spent too much effort on pandering to the weak.

going to say I can't believe they would put tracks at risk of closing but thinking about it of course they would , the BSPA specialise in single minded self interest

So on one hand you think theres too much doubling up but on the other don't want less clubs? How do you propose getting rid of some of the double uppers? Because we sure as hell can't magic up 30-dd new riders, so closing two clubs would limit half the problem. Losing 4 or 5 clubs would be better.

 

SCB if he could afford the pay cut would probably be a good shout as an independent chairman of the BSPA and a one man management committee.

He'd upset a few of the old guard. But at least he has ideas on how to avoid fixture clashes etc

Probably need sectioning by the end of the season

 

'Independent'?? SCB? You must be joking!! ;-) ;-) ;-)

 

I hate everyone equally, I'm very independent

 

As for fixture clashes, I have some software that is probably 70-80% complete for solving this. The only reason it's not any furter complete is because I'd need to speak to someone at the BSPA/SCB to see how they wanted it to work. But my thinking is every club would log into a website, put all their home dates in, put any dates they cannot ride on (due to foreign commitments). Then put in any manually arranged meetings (bank holidays etc where they want specific teams on specific dates). From there the system will give each team a meeting a week home and away so that all teams have ridden the same number of meetings at the end of the week. It will also try and keep the second meeting against a team away from the first (rather than riding the same team twice in a month) and it will avoid clashes without doubling up riders - so if Leicester are at Swindon it will either be on a day other than Thursday or if it's a Thursday it will be a Thursday that Ipswich are not at home.

 

It CAN be done as I've tested it. Just need minor detailing.

[theblueboy 960]

Good, sometimes you have to kill off and cut away to grow. We spent years pandering to Eastbourne in the EL, where are they now? Speedway has in the past spent too much effort on pandering to the weak.

So on one hand you think theres too much doubling up but on the other don't want less clubs? How do you propose getting rid of some of the double uppers? Because we sure as hell can't magic up 30-dd new riders, so closing two clubs would limit half the problem. Losing 4 or 5 clubs would be better.

 

 

 

I hate everyone equally, I'm very independent

 

As for fixture clashes, I have some software that is probably 70-80% complete for solving this. The only reason it's not any furter complete is because I'd need to speak to someone at the BSPA/SCB to see how they wanted it to work. But my thinking is every club would log into a website, put all their home dates in, put any dates they cannot ride on (due to foreign commitments). Then put in any manually arranged meetings (bank holidays etc where they want specific teams on specific dates). From there the system will give each team a meeting a week home and away so that all teams have ridden the same number of meetings at the end of the week. It will also try and keep the second meeting against a team away from the first (rather than riding the same team twice in a month) and it will avoid clashes without doubling up riders - so if Leicester are at Swindon it will either be on a day other than Thursday or if it's a Thursday it will be a Thursday that Ipswich are not at home.

 

It CAN be done as I've tested it. Just need minor detailing.

Fancy that...a supporter has potentially managed to resolve one of the most contentious issues that blights British Speedway.

 

Just what do those monkeys, who masquerade as promoters, actually do? It's embarrassing that the supporters have a better idea how to run British speedway than those supposedly in charge.

 

All you need to do now SCB is to get hold of the rule book, rip it up, insert proper rules that can be adhered to by both promoters and referee. Form an independent group that rules on all contentious issues making immediate decisions so all parties are aware and maybe the sport may return from the Dark Ages.

 

Vote SCB...

[bigcatdiary 3,168]

SCB gets my vote, cracking idea for fixtures

[waytogo28 2,054]

SCB gets my vote, cracking idea for fixtures

 

Indeed, but cracking ideas are not normally the currency the BSPA deal in. Let's just hope that they do not give fixture planning role to the plonker who did it this season.

[Whisperer 276]

Good, sometimes you have to kill off and cut away to grow. We spent years pandering to Eastbourne in the EL, where are they now? Speedway has in the past spent too much effort on pandering to the weak.

So on one hand you think theres too much doubling up but on the other don't want less clubs? How do you propose getting rid of some of the double uppers? Because we sure as hell can't magic up 30-dd new riders, so closing two clubs would limit half the problem. Losing 4 or 5 clubs would be better.

 

 

 

I hate everyone equally, I'm very independent

 

As for fixture clashes, I have some software that is probably 70-80% complete for solving this. The only reason it's not any furter complete is because I'd need to speak to someone at the BSPA/SCB to see how they wanted it to work. But my thinking is every club would log into a website, put all their home dates in, put any dates they cannot ride on (due to foreign commitments). Then put in any manually arranged meetings (bank holidays etc where they want specific teams on specific dates). From there the system will give each team a meeting a week home and away so that all teams have ridden the same number of meetings at the end of the week. It will also try and keep the second meeting against a team away from the first (rather than riding the same team twice in a month) and it will avoid clashes without doubling up riders - so if Leicester are at Swindon it will either be on a day other than Thursday or if it's a Thursday it will be a Thursday that Ipswich are not at home.

 

It CAN be done as I've tested it. Just need minor detailing.

 

Genuinely sorry to disappoint you but this is how it's been for many years. Spreadsheet derived, preferred dates are submitted, preferred derbies are submitted, any stadium availability issues are submitted and the job lot comes out on a tabbed sheet with suggested fixtures. It's then up to each club to; modify, swap, re-arrange or do sweet f a to finalise their fixtures and re-submit. All of the hard work is done for them and it's really well done but unfortunately it's beyond the ability of the average Promoter to follow and agree hence so much conflict. Trust me they are second guessing rider availability and the likelihood of a win before committing to the fixtures in other words a different agenda. The poor guy who puts hours and hours into it must feel let down by the constant challenges and in the end says fluff it do your own thing.

[Tsunami 10,219]

Fancy that...a supporter has potentially managed to resolve one of the most contentious issues that blights British Speedway.

 

Just what do those monkeys, who masquerade as promoters, actually do? It's embarrassing that the supporters have a better idea how to run British speedway than those supposedly in charge.

 

 

Is that apart from setting up their team, providing the capital and settling debts ?

[Dave Jones 2,128]

Is that apart from setting up their team, providing the capital and settling debts ?

Has it ever occurred to you that if theses guys got their act together there might not be any debts to settle?

[mikebv 10,360]

Is that apart from setting up their team, providing the capital and settling debts ?

And then dismantling all their fine work by devising and delivering astoundingly 'unfit for purpose' operating models and business plans...

Edited September 21, 2017 by mikebv

[theblueboy 960]

Is that apart from setting up their team, providing the capital and settling debts ?

That's the easy bit to be honest.

 

This is a professional sport but run in a very Corinthian way. I accept that each of those tasks are performed but promoters have 6 months to ensure they have a competitive team and ensure that relevant finance is in place. If the promotion have constructed an exciting team it will entice customers to watch each week, and that is the crux, every week.

 

If people get out of the habit of going week in week out because promoters cannot provide a coherent fixture list or a team worthy for them to part with their hard earned then those promotions cannot moan when they incur massive losses.

 

This season has been an absolute disgrace in terms of fixture planning. I cannot use the words I want to describe the situation that we currently have with both the KOC and the PO running at exactly the same time.

 

So yes, I do think they are monkeys. Nothing changes. Shambolic governance at all levels, which are well documented and discussed ad nauseum on this forum, yet promoters, and I believe from previous comments you have made you have been one, continue to fiddle whilst Rome burns.

 

Promoters are the cause of every single problem within speedway, not the customer, however, promoters continue to treat us all with contempt.