racers and royals 8,727 Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, racers and royals said: We move on to round 2 this weekend with fans now in the stadiums.- all UK times Friday June 19th Grudziadz v Rybnik programme starts 4.30pm 1st race 5pm Eleven Sport 1 and Free Sports(5pm) Friday June 19th Leszno v Wroclaw programme starts 7.15pm 1st race 7.30pm Eleven Sport 1 and Premier Sport 1( 7.30pm) Sunday June 21st Lublin v Gorzow programme starts 3pm 1st race 3.30pm N Sport and premier Sport 2 (3.30pm) Sunday June 21st Zielona Gora v Czestochowa programme starts 5.45pm 1st race 6.15pm N Sport and premier Sport 1( delayed ?) 12.45am Monday ?? ** ** not sure what Premier are going to do with this match- if they can`t show it live at least they could swap this match to 10.45pm and the repeat of Lublin v Gorzow to 12.45 am !!! Friday`s away team lineups Rybnik 1. Troy Batchelor2. Andrzej Lebiediew3. Vaclav Milik4. Mateusz Szczepaniak5. Kacper Woryna6. Mateusz Tudzież7. Kacper Kłosok Wroclaw 1. Daniel Bewley2. Tai Woffinden3. Maciej Janowski4. Max Fricke5. Maksym Drabik6. Gleb Czugunow7. Przemysław Liszka Edited June 16, 2020 by racers and royals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zlata prilba 320 Posted June 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Friday`s away team lineups Rybnik 1. Troy Batchelor2. Andrzej Lebiediew3. Vaclav Milik4. Mateusz Szczepaniak5. Kacper Woryna6. Mateusz Tudzież7. Kacper Kłosok Wroclaw 1. Daniel Bewley2. Tai Woffinden3. Maciej Janowski4. Max Fricke5. Maksym Drabik6. Gleb Czugunow7. Przemysław Liszka Be interesting if Wuffy rides or they use R/R for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,727 Posted June 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, zlata prilba said: Be interesting if Wuffy rides or they use R/R for him He will ride- that is just a tactical lineup for away matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,727 Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) Grudziadz line up home to Rybnik on Friday 9 Pedersen 10 Buczkowski 11 Bjerre 12 Prem Pawlicki 13 A Laguta 14 Zielinski 15 Turowski Leszno line up home to Wroclaw on Friday 9 Sayfutdinov 10 Kolodziej 11 Smektala 12 kurtz 13 Piotr Pawlicki 14 Szlauderbach 15 Kubera Edited June 16, 2020 by racers and royals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,277 Posted June 16, 2020 5 hours ago, iainb said: Hang on a minute, let's not blow too much smoke up the Poles bottoms... The fact is they have still only produced 3 world champions (ever), have won most of the team cups on their own tracks. even these under 23 (or is it 21) world beating reserves that we see disappear when they get older... where are the reserves of a few years ago now? Polish teams have to have four Poles per team and not only easily comply but also have several replacements available to replace poor performers and injuries.. All of which will have been U21 at some stage... An U21 system that brought so many riders through to World Class level, and made them so dominant as a nation, that the FIM had to change the World Cup format to give the others a chance... Poland might only have had 3 Individual World Champs but as a nation have a strength in depth no other can compete with. . With much of that strength in depth starting as U21 reserves... Some, naturally will drop out by the way side, but many come through.. And to a very elite level.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,890 Posted June 16, 2020 Batchelor declared in Rybnik’s team then.... interesting! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,017 Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Polish teams have to have four Poles per team and not only easily comply but also have several replacements available to replace poor performers and injuries.. All of which will have been U21 at some stage... An U21 system that brought so many riders through to World Class level, and made them so dominant as a nation, that the FIM had to change the World Cup format to give the others a chance... Poland might only have had 3 Individual World Champs but as a nation have a strength in depth no other can compete with. . With much of that strength in depth starting as U21 reserves... Some, naturally will drop out by the way side, but many come through.. And to a very elite level.. Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year Przedpelski - Club Man Swidnicki - Shows promise Holta - Norwegian Miskowiak - Reserve Kowalski - ? Buczkowski - Journeyman P Pawlicki - World Class P Pawlicki - Club Man Turowski - Reserve Lotarski - Reserve Lakhbaum - Reserve Woryna - Club Man Miedzinski - Journeyman Szczepaniak - Journeyman Klosok - LOL Protasiewicz - Journeyman Tudziez - Reserve Dudek - World Class Krakowiak - Shows Promise Tonder - Reserve Niedzwiedz - ? Zmarzlik - World Class Kasprzak - Club man Wozniak - Club man Karczmarz - Shows Promise Bartkowiak - Reserve Nowacki - ? Kubera - Shows Promise Kolodziej - Journeyman Szlauderbach - Russian? Smektala - Journeyman Drabik - International Class Chugunov - Russian Janowski - World Class Liszka - Reserve Curzytek - ? Hampel - Journeyman Jamrog - Journeyman Lampart - Shows Promise Bober - ? While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,984 Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) Isn’t or wasn’t Lahkbaum a Russian ? Szlauderbach like Lahkbaum has a Germanic surname anyway. But that wouldn’t be unusual Hampel,Lampart or Glücklich do too Edited June 16, 2020 by iris123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,727 Posted June 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, iainb said: Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year Przedpelski - Club Man Swidnicki - Shows promise Holta - Norwegian Miskowiak - Reserve Kowalski - ? Buczkowski - Journeyman P Pawlicki - World Class P Pawlicki - Club Man Turowski - Reserve Lotarski - Reserve Lakhbaum - Reserve Woryna - Club Man Miedzinski - Journeyman Szczepaniak - Journeyman Klosok - LOL Protasiewicz - Journeyman Tudziez - Reserve Dudek - World Class Krakowiak - Shows Promise Tonder - Reserve Niedzwiedz - ? Zmarzlik - World Class Kasprzak - Club man Wozniak - Club man Karczmarz - Shows Promise Bartkowiak - Reserve Nowacki - ? Kubera - Shows Promise Kolodziej - Journeyman Szlauderbach - Russian? Smektala - Journeyman Drabik - International Class Chugunov - Russian Janowski - World Class Liszka - Reserve Curzytek - ? Hampel - Journeyman Jamrog - Journeyman Lampart - Shows Promise Bober - ? While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway Smektala a Journeyman !!!! you are having a giraffe 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,017 Posted June 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Smektala a Journeyman !!!! you are having a giraffe Yes, I'm having a giraffe, got that one wrong, shows promise/international class... Glad you agree with the rest though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,727 Posted June 16, 2020 Just now, iainb said: Yes, I'm having a giraffe, got that one wrong, shows promise/international class... Glad you agree with the rest though Didn`t read the rest- just saw him and had to post a response Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,017 Posted June 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Didn`t read the rest- just saw him and had to post a response Go on... Read the rest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,727 Posted June 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, iainb said: Go on... Read the rest The Extraleague top 5 is so hard for the Polish riders coming out of 6 and 7 that they sometimes decide to ride in the E Winner league 1- Michael Gruchalski is an example, top 6/7 for Czestochowa last season has gone to Tarnow for 2020. Another rider i rate is Musielak riding for Torun this season. i agree there is also a lot of " journeyman" Poles in DIv 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,363 Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, iainb said: Let's look at the "Poles" in the Ekstraliga this year Przedpelski - Club Man Swidnicki - Shows promise Holta - Norwegian Miskowiak - Reserve Kowalski - ? Buczkowski - Journeyman P Pawlicki - World Class P Pawlicki - Club Man Turowski - Reserve Lotarski - Reserve Lakhbaum - Reserve Woryna - Club Man Miedzinski - Journeyman Szczepaniak - Journeyman Klosok - LOL Protasiewicz - Journeyman Tudziez - Reserve Dudek - World Class Krakowiak - Shows Promise Tonder - Reserve Niedzwiedz - ? Zmarzlik - World Class Kasprzak - Club man Wozniak - Club man Karczmarz - Shows Promise Bartkowiak - Reserve Nowacki - ? Kubera - Shows Promise Kolodziej - Journeyman Szlauderbach - Russian? Smektala - Journeyman Drabik - International Class Chugunov - Russian Janowski - World Class Liszka - Reserve Curzytek - ? Hampel - Journeyman Jamrog - Journeyman Lampart - Shows Promise Bober - ? While the Polish league is without doubt the strongest league in the world there's an awful lot of dead Polish wood and unproven talent. I wonder how they manage to implement the " have to have four Poles per team" rule and still comply with European Law? That's probably been done to death somewhere else on these forums anyway Some of your journeymen are not even mid twenties, and reserves are all U/21.Would like to see your definition of deadwood in GB speedway, must be about 70% or more IMO. Edited June 16, 2020 by Fromafar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,017 Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, iris123 said: Isn’t or wasn’t Lahkbaum a Russian ? Szlauderbach like Lahkbaum has a Germanic surname anyway. But that wouldn’t be unusual Hampel,Lampart or Glücklich do too Yeah, one of em was a Ruski, couldn't remember which. 5 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Some of your journeymen are not even mid twenties, and reserves are all U/21.Would like to see your definition of deadwood in GB speedway, must be about 70% IMO. My general point is that the Polski's are not the all conquering nation producing world class riders off of a never ending production line that we are sometimes led to believe. The majority of the "Stars" in the Ekstraliga are foreigners Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
