Mark 1,497 Posted September 13, 2020 13 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: For the record, does anyone think Mark Loram wasn't a deserving World Champion? No. A rider can only win under the set of rules for that year. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,094 Posted September 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mark said: No. A rider can only win under the set of rules for that year. Some people need to remember that for this year... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinmauger 584 Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Pinny said: Of course he deserved it. He was the best rider over the course of the series. And was pretty damn good in the leagues that season as well Exactly. Something that annoys me a bit is '2nd is the first of the losers' no it isn't, it means a person did very well and that only one other person was better. Cups & medals are traditionally awarded down to 3rd place, so it could be argued that 4th be considererd the first of the losers; ask the 4th finisher if they'd like to swap with 2nd. In to win it, do your level best sure; someone will be 1st, someone else last & the rest in between somewhere. When finishing 2nd or 3rd enjoy the moment as it means you were not far away from 1st, not everyone can win.... Edited September 13, 2020 by martinmauger added finishing argument Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,665 Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Mark said: No. A rider can only win under the set of rules for that year. 57 minutes ago, chunky said: Some people need to remember that for this year... That is exactly my point. The moaning regarding Lindgren is ridiculous. The rider's know the rules & if they're willing to put it all on the line in the qualifying heats & flop under pressure that's not Lindgren's fault. I'd love Woffy to win it again but I can't see it but I wouldn't mind Lindgren doing it. He knows how to be consistent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,246 Posted September 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Dave Jones said: I firmly believe that decision by Frank Ebdon was more to do with ensuring Nielsen didn't win the title that year.. That wouldn't surprise me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chunky 6,094 Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, steve roberts said: That wouldn't surprise me! You WOULD say that, wouldn't you? Well, speedway was supposedly "rotten to the core", wasn't it? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,018 Posted September 18, 2020 Winners & Losers after Round 5: 1 2 3 4 5 Total Pts +/- % Old Rank New Rank Rank Diff Bartosz Zmarzlik 11 14 20 14 17 76 79 3 4% 1 1 0 Freddie Lindgren 10 11 14 17 9 61 78 17 28% 3 2 1 Tai Woffinden 12 15 12 11 12 62 71 9 15% 2 3 -1 Maciej Janowski 17 19 8 9 6 59 62 3 5% 4 4 0 Leon Madsen 13 7 12 15 9 56 59 3 5% 5 5 0 Artem Laguta 20 13 7 3 13 56 55 -1 -2% 5 6 -1 Jason Doyle 5 3 12 16 13 49 53 4 8% 8 7 1 Martin Vaculik 11 4 13 12 13 53 51 -2 -4% 7 8 -1 Emil Sayfutdinov 11 6 6 13 11 47 50 3 6% 9 9 0 Max Fricke 2 8 4 8 8 30 32 2 7% 10 10 0 Matej Zagar 6 4 8 5 4 27 30 3 11% 12 11 1 Niels-Kristian Iversen 3 11 6 3 5 28 28 0 0% 11 12 -1 Mikkel Michelsen 5 7 5 2 7 26 24 -2 -8% 13 13 0 Patryk Dudek 5 7 3 1 7 23 23 0 0% 14 14 0 Gleb Chugunov 6 8 14 16 2 14% 15 15 0 Anders Thomsen 4 6 10 10 0 0% 16 16 0 Antonio Lindback 1 1 2 3 2 9 8 -1 -11% 17 17 0 Vaclav Milik 0 0 1 1 100% 18 18 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilWatson 1,988 Posted September 18, 2020 37 minutes ago, iainb said: Winners & Losers after Round 5: 1 2 3 4 5 Total Pts +/- % Old Rank New Rank Rank Diff Bartosz Zmarzlik 11 14 20 14 17 76 79 3 4% 1 1 0 Freddie Lindgren 10 11 14 17 9 61 78 17 28% 3 2 1 Tai Woffinden 12 15 12 11 12 62 71 9 15% 2 3 -1 Maciej Janowski 17 19 8 9 6 59 62 3 5% 4 4 0 Leon Madsen 13 7 12 15 9 56 59 3 5% 5 5 0 Artem Laguta 20 13 7 3 13 56 55 -1 -2% 5 6 -1 Jason Doyle 5 3 12 16 13 49 53 4 8% 8 7 1 Martin Vaculik 11 4 13 12 13 53 51 -2 -4% 7 8 -1 Emil Sayfutdinov 11 6 6 13 11 47 50 3 6% 9 9 0 Max Fricke 2 8 4 8 8 30 32 2 7% 10 10 0 Matej Zagar 6 4 8 5 4 27 30 3 11% 12 11 1 Niels-Kristian Iversen 3 11 6 3 5 28 28 0 0% 11 12 -1 Mikkel Michelsen 5 7 5 2 7 26 24 -2 -8% 13 13 0 Patryk Dudek 5 7 3 1 7 23 23 0 0% 14 14 0 Gleb Chugunov 6 8 14 16 2 14% 15 15 0 Anders Thomsen 4 6 10 10 0 0% 16 16 0 Antonio Lindback 1 1 2 3 2 9 8 -1 -11% 17 17 0 Vaclav Milik 0 0 1 1 100% 18 18 0 Under the old system there wouldn’t be a tie for 5th place, the two riders would be ranked in some way, by GP starting number IIRC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,018 Posted September 19, 2020 Winners & Losers after round 6: 1 2 3 4 5 6 Total Pts +/- % Old Rank New Rank Rank Diff Bartosz Zmarzlik 11 14 20 14 17 19 95 99 4 4% 1 1 0 Freddie Lindgren 10 11 14 17 9 15 76 92 16 21% 3 2 1 Tai Woffinden 12 15 12 11 12 16 78 89 11 14% 2 3 -1 Maciej Janowski 17 19 8 9 6 10 69 71 2 3% 4 4 0 Leon Madsen 13 7 12 15 9 9 65 70 5 8% 5 5 0 Jason Doyle 5 3 12 16 13 12 61 69 8 13% 8 6 2 Martin Vaculik 11 4 13 12 13 11 64 63 -1 -2% 6 7 -1 Artem Laguta 20 13 7 3 13 6 62 60 -2 -3% 7 8 -1 Emil Sayfutdinov 11 6 6 13 11 7 54 60 6 11% 9 8 1 Max Fricke 2 8 4 8 8 7 37 40 3 8% 10 10 0 Matej Zagar 6 4 8 5 4 7 34 37 3 9% 11 11 0 Niels-Kristian Iversen 3 11 6 3 5 3 31 30 -1 -3% 12 12 0 Patryk Dudek 5 7 3 1 7 6 29 29 0 0% 13 13 0 Mikkel Michelsen 5 7 5 2 7 3 29 27 -2 -7% 13 14 -1 Gleb Chugunov 6 8 14 16 2 14% 15 15 0 Antonio Lindback 1 1 2 3 2 5 14 12 -2 -14% 15 16 -1 Anders Thomsen 4 6 10 10 0 0% 17 17 0 Vaclav Milik 0 2 2 1 -1 -50% 18 18 0 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,018 Posted October 2, 2020 Winners & Losers after round 7: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Total Pts +/- % Old Rank New Rank Rank Diff Bartosz Zmarzlik 11 14 20 14 17 19 12 107 113 6 6% 1 1 0 Tai Woffinden 12 15 12 11 12 16 13 91 105 14 15% 2 2 0 Freddie Lindgren 10 11 14 17 9 15 11 87 103 16 18% 3 3 0 Maciej Janowski 17 19 8 9 6 10 16 85 89 4 5% 4 4 0 Leon Madsen 13 7 12 15 9 9 9 74 79 5 7% 5 5 0 Jason Doyle 5 3 12 16 13 12 9 70 76 6 9% 8 6 2 Martin Vaculik 11 4 13 12 13 11 10 74 73 -1 -1% 5 7 -2 Emil Sayfutdinov 11 6 6 13 11 7 11 65 72 7 11% 9 8 1 Artem Laguta 20 13 7 3 13 6 9 71 68 -3 -4% 7 9 -2 Max Fricke 2 8 4 8 8 7 16 53 60 7 13% 10 10 0 Matej Zagar 6 4 8 5 4 7 8 42 43 1 2% 11 11 0 Patryk Dudek 5 7 3 1 7 6 5 34 33 -1 -3% 12 12 0 Niels-Kristian Iversen 3 11 6 3 5 3 0 31 31 0 0% 13 13 0 Mikkel Michelsen 5 7 5 2 7 3 2 31 30 -1 -3% 13 14 -1 Gleb Chugunov 6 8 14 16 2 14% 16 15 1 Antonio Lindback 1 1 2 3 2 5 1 15 14 -1 -7% 15 16 -1 Anders Thomsen 4 6 10 10 0 0% 17 17 0 Jack Holder 6 6 5 -1 -17% 18 18 0 Vaclav Milik 0 2 2 1 -1 -50% 19 19 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,730 Posted October 2, 2020 If the top 6 stays the same after tomorrow`s final round we would have Zmarzlik Woffinden lindgren Janowski Madsen Doyle then we have Lambert Zagar Berntzon Kasprzak so that leaves 5 choices Vaculik Sayfutdinov A Laguta Fricke and who ??- out will be lindback, Smolinski(Michelsen) and Dudek and NKI ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambo 1,341 Posted October 2, 2020 If Woofy wins tomorrow and Zmarzlik finishes 3rd in his S/F, they will either be tied on points or Woofy wins by 1 point. Depends on which S/F Zmarzlik is in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,730 Posted October 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gambo said: If Woofy wins tomorrow and Zmarzlik finishes 3rd in his S/F, they will either be tied on points or Woofy wins by 1 point. Depends on which S/F Zmarzlik is in. Or if Woofy finishes 2nd and Zmarzlik finishes 4th in his S/F the same scenario would occur- 18 to 10 or 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted October 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, racers and royals said: If the top 6 stays the same after tomorrow`s final round we would have Zmarzlik Woffinden lindgren Janowski Madsen Doyle then we have Lambert Zagar Berntzon Kasprzak so that leaves 5 choices Vaculik Sayfutdinov A Laguta Fricke and who ??- out will be lindback, Smolinski(Michelsen) and Dudek and NKI ?? CASE can be made for Smolinski who has missed this season through injury. Not much chance of Dudek with three Poles already in. Two Swedes so Lindback out, NKI's SGP career has run its course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,730 Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, PHILIPRISING said: CASE can be made for Smolinski who has missed this season through injury. Not much chance of Dudek with three Poles already in. Two Swedes so Lindback out, NKI's SGP career has run its course. Surely not a very good case he was only in it from the reserve list( Hancock retired) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites