lisa-colette Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Charlieboy said: If you read what our promotor has explained you should understand the problem that occurred last night. Total one off But if you have your own agenda that’s fine by me. I’d rather believe the truth than the bile that some Ipswich fans have put on the forum. Who weren’t even at the meeting but know what happened and how quickly it should have been fixed If you believe them then you must be quite gullible I will wait for the no brakes, no fear podcast tomorrow and see what they say with interest! When the meeting finally got going again they didn't seem in a hurry considering the curfew! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Charlieboy said: As I said I thought Ipswich deserved a point. Doyle would have won 14 and 15 and I think Riss could possibly a point in 15. If you read what our promotor has put it wasn’t just one airbag to pump up. I was told last night it was the impact and damage done to the gate airbag that caused all the problems!! If there is such a unique section and connections within the airfence set up then professionalism would dictate you have at least one spare of that special section and connections ready for a speedy switch That would mean an embarrassing bodge it job wouldn't be required 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: I will wait for the no brakes, no fear podcast tomorrow and see what they say with interest! When the meeting finally got going again they didn't seem in a hurry considering the curfew! If you were at the meeting you would have seen the riders ready at the pit gate while our centre green announcer repeatedly told the crowd that the riders were ready but waiting for Eurosport to give them the nod to go to tapes. You see a totally different picture when you are at a televised meeting. When we go to Cardiff Phil Morris has to be told when to release the riders from the pits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 6 hours ago, 4thbender said: Something painfully clear this season is that the Tigers' heat leader trio of Holder, Musielak and Ellis never score points in their first races, but come back fighting after about heat 5 or 6. It makes me wonder whether the track needs a few races to sort itself out. Apart from Adams retirement in his first race last night, he’s finished either first of second in every meeting at Sheffield apart from the season opener. just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 We hear so much about the valiant volunteers doing their best. What training had they had? Had their competency been assessed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: If there is such a unique section and connections within the airfence set up then professionalism would dictate you have at least one spare of that special section and connections ready for a speedy switch That would mean an embarrassing bodge it job wouldn't be required It wasn’t a bodge job if you go on face book one of the track staff explained the problem. I’m not repeating it cus takes too long to type. If you find it you will understand the implications what Danny Kings impact caused. Bit of a chain reaction and a problem that has not happened ever before apparently. It wasn’t a case of just blowing another panel up so for all those snipes our track staff have had to endure and time wasting quips which were totally unjustified. Hope Danny and paul starke are ok Both high speed smashes 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 Yes it affected 3 panels and the piping that feeds the airbags, a bloody nightmare! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: If there is such a unique section and connections within the airfence set up then professionalism would dictate you have at least one spare of that special section and connections ready for a speedy switch Seems sensible Edited June 28, 2022 by noaksey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 56 minutes ago, Charlieboy said: It wasn’t a bodge job if you go on face book one of the track staff explained the problem. I’m not repeating it cus takes too long to type. If you find it you will understand the implications what Danny Kings impact caused. Bit of a chain reaction and a problem that has not happened ever before apparently. It wasn’t a case of just blowing another panel up so for all those snipes our track staff have had to endure and time wasting quips which were totally unjustified. Hope Danny and paul starke are ok Both high speed smashes Yes it would take 45 minutes to type if you didn't have the equipment of skills to copy and paste in seconds Quite an apt analogy for the situation WE would like to thank supporters for their patience and understanding during Monday night’s home fixture with Ipswich. The Tru Plant Tigers moved to the top of the Premiership with a 43-35 win over Ipswich in a match curtailed due to the curfew at Owlerton. A lengthy delay was experienced following a high-speed crash for visiting captain Danny King in Heat Seven – and while club bosses do understand some frustrations vented their way, they are urging people to focus on the positives ahead of the next fixture in the Steel City against reigning Champions Peterborough on Thursday, July 14 (7.30). Club promoter Damien Bates said: “Monday night was a bizarre one for us, it really was. “The team got the win we were after and that we needed and after moving to the top of the table, we should’ve left the stadium on a real high. “However, as a promotion, we probably left feeling lower than we have done for a long, long time. “We know how frustrating the length of the delay was between the first staging of Heat Seven and then the re-run, whether that be for the supporters who had paid to come into the stadium or those who had stayed at home to watch live on Eurosport and Discovery+. “But I can honestly, honestly tell you now it was such a rare, unique, freak incident, I’ve never seen it happen before and I’d be surprised if we see it again. “Where Danny and his bike hit the air fence on bend two, it burst a couple of bags. “But somehow, the angle everything has hit, it destroyed the inflatable tube which gets the air flowing between each bag. “Replacing an air bag is usually a ten minute job at most, but with this ‘air pathway’, if you like, damaged, it was a much more complicated job. “To add to the issue, it was the air bag that connects to the gate that opens and closes to let the tractors and ambulances out on bend two. “This is a slightly different type of air bag to the rest and has to be at a certain level to connect with the rest of the air fence. “Our track staff tried several things before having to come up with a makeshift solution on the spot – and had they not figured that out, the meeting would’ve had to be abandoned at that point, we wouldn’t have seen any more racing, we wouldn’t have got a result and everyone would’ve had to have left there and then and we’d have had to have all came back and do it all over again on another night. “Do I understand people’s frustrations? Yes, of course I do. But there was genuinely nothing else we could’ve done to speed things up unfortunately. “It may have taken time but at no point could we ever put the safety of riders at risk by not having a fully inflated air bag…” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 Read it again Charlieboy! "Our track staff tried several things before having to come up with a makeshift solution on the spot" That's is the very definition of a bodge job 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) Sheffields statement just show a how unprofessional the sport is Surely if you have a section of air fence that’s different to the norm then you have a spare for that specific section just in case for that 1 moment you will need it. not having spares lies solely on Sheffield promotion. The patchy track that caused the crashes lies with the Sheffield promotion. And BTW. Other clubs would have been the same. Let’s hope they will learn from this mistake and go get the spares they need. Edited June 29, 2022 by PhilTheAce 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Trees said: Yes it affected 3 panels and the piping that feeds the airbags, a bloody nightmare! The whole point is that you have spares available, including the piping. I can understand if more piping was damaged than they had spares for, but it appears they didn't have any. Just because it's never happened before, doesn't mean it won't happen. In a professional and/or business environment, you have to be prepared for as many eventualities as possible. Testing of the air fences should have dictated that spare tubing be available - it certainly should be now. As usual, it's apologies from the authorities, thanks for being patient, and to be frank, not a thought that their customers were robbed of what they paid to see. The usual British speedway story ... Edited June 29, 2022 by Roger Jacobs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 9 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Read it again Charlieboy! "Our track staff tried several things before having to come up with a makeshift solution on the spot" That's is the very definition of a bodge job Well done but if you read my post again I said a member of track staff explained it as he was part of the team to fix it and I also said on face book. You have very cleverly copy and pasted what our promoter said on our website 2 slightly different messages. Damien Bates has not gone into as thoroughly as the track staff member. But if it helps you sleep at night you believe what you want. End of the day we won so it’s another 3 points and your riders walked away with no lasting injuries so well done to the air fence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 19 minutes ago, Charlieboy said: Well done but if you read my post again I said a member of track staff explained it as he was part of the team to fix it and I also said on face book. You have very cleverly copy and pasted what our promoter said on our website 2 slightly different messages. Damien Bates has not gone into as thoroughly as the track staff member. But if it helps you sleep at night you believe what you want. End of the day we won so it’s another 3 points and your riders walked away with no lasting injuries so well done to the air fence Agree Charlie but as for who won its rather a moot point, there was some good racing between the delays but the whole episode did no favours to the sport whatever the rights and wrongs . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 10 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Read it again Charlieboy! "Our track staff tried several things before having to come up with a makeshift solution on the spot" That's is the very definition of a bodge job Soon as a promoter say's "honestly"it makes me wonder straight away,but he said honestly twice.Some of these could be politicians. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 I guess it's the age old problem of where do you prioritise your spending. Generally there will always be the option of spending on riders or equipment/track/infrastructure. It's easy to understand why promoters spend on riders/wages etc as it gives them a better return assuming everything goes to plan. Until something like last night happens. My biggest bugbear about UK speedway is their total lack of spending when it comes to the tracks and equipment. they always seem to spend the absolute minimum, yet this is the stage the riders need to perform on. If they would divert a little more spending to wards the track and it's equipment, the show could be so much better. Patchy unprepared tracks and safety equipment on a shoe string, tapes that constantly malfunction, PA systems no one can hear. All these other things are part of the overall experience and they have an effect, but no, it's always straight out the door to get the top bidding on the best rider they can afford. They then have to ride on poorly prepared tracks with stuff breaking down left right and centre. The balance is wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 11 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: "Our track staff tried several things before having to come up with a makeshift solution on the spot" That's is the very definition of a bodge job Which is exactly how the whole sport in this country is run... one bodge job after another 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 15 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: We can accept defeat, however there was a real chance of getting an away point. It's odds on Doyle would have won heat 14 & 15. Given the up & down nights the other heat 15 contenders had had its perfectly possible Ipswich could have got a 5-1 in heat 15. Fortunately for you guys, it's probably not going to make a jot of difference where you only have to finish in the top 4 of a 6 team league to potentially go on to be Champions 12 hours ago, Charlieboy said: If you were at the meeting you would have seen the riders ready at the pit gate while our centre green announcer repeatedly told the crowd that the riders were ready but waiting for Eurosport to give them the nod to go to tapes. Well that's clearly different to what the Sheffield promotions statement said, so the centre green announcer was misinforming the crowd... and was then all over Twitter saying how depressed he was with people's reactions. If he'd informed the crowd of the actual facts, maybe there would have been more understanding. 2 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: Surely if you have a section of air fence that’s different to the norm then you have a spare for that specific section just in case for that 1 moment you will need it. not having spares lies solely on Sheffield promotion. I believe there's one going cheap up at Newcastle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Charlieboy said: Well done but if you read my post again I said a member of track staff explained it as he was part of the team to fix it and I also said on face book. You have very cleverly copy and pasted what our promoter said on our website 2 slightly different messages. Damien Bates has not gone into as thoroughly as the track staff member. But if it helps you sleep at night you believe what you want. End of the day we won so it’s another 3 points and your riders walked away with no lasting injuries so well done to the air fence So now you are saying that you think that your own promoter doesn't know what the hell he is talking about - good to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: So now you are saying that you think that your own promoter doesn't know what the hell he is talking about - good to know I’ve just re read my post and can’t see where I’ve put that but if that’s what you’ve read good for you. The track staff lad said that 2 bags were damaged and replaced within usual time scale. The 3rd bag which on the gate was severely damaged due to the impact of rider and bike The blower feeding the fence was damaged due to air been forced back into the blower had to be replaced. The inner sock on this panel was also damaged. Apparently this hasn’t happened before so caused problems for our staff. The connections were also damaged. Now I don’t think mr Bates said that so there’s a slight difference in statements from track staff and promoter. So not your usual replace and blow up panel then was it and that’s why it took longer. Make of that what you will. Makes no odds to me who you believe. Hope this helps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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