Panthers v Stars 04/07/22

[iainb 5,022]

9 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

It all seems so disappointing

Disappointing? It's total madness, it's a shame there's no riders union to stand up to the Polish league restrictions which surely break European law!

[racers and royals 8,736]

1 minute ago, iainb said:

Disappointing? It's total madness, it's a shame there's no riders union to stand up to the Polish league restrictions which surely break European law!

It`s not total madness if you are Poland paying big bucks expecting the riders to perform and not be exhausted by riding every night all over Europe. Sweden and Denmark both run squads so it should be possible to come up with riding number of nights per week instead of number of other league`s.

[Skidder1 7,637]

6 minutes ago, iainb said:

Disappointing? It's total madness, it's a shame there's no riders union to stand up to the Polish league restrictions which surely break European law!

What European laws? Do you mean the ones that say you ride where you get paid the most?

[iainb 5,022]

5 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

It`s not total madness if you are Poland paying big bucks expecting the riders to perform and not be exhausted by riding every night all over Europe. Sweden and Denmark both run squads so it should be possible to come up with riding number of nights per week instead of number of other league`s.

So 2 leagues, GP's, SEC, Longtrack, SoN, SGP Qualifiers, SEC Qualifiers, open meetings is OK but not 3 leagues?

4 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

What European laws? Do you mean the ones that say you ride where you get paid the most?

The restriction of trade law... i.e. Bosman

[racers and royals 8,736]

8 minutes ago, iainb said:

So 2 leagues, GP's, SEC, Longtrack, SoN, SGP Qualifiers, SEC Qualifiers, open meetings is OK but not 3 leagues?

The restriction of trade law... i.e. Bosman

You ask any rider why they haven`t challenged it and they would tell you- " we can`t afford to risk losing Poland"

As for the GP`s it`s only Fricke as all the others are Extraleague +1

[iainb 5,022]

2 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

You ask any rider why they haven`t challenged it and they would tell you- " we can`t afford to risk losing Poland"

That's why I mentioned a riders union... Unity is Strength, comrade 

[racers and royals 8,736]

1 minute ago, iainb said:

That's why I mentioned a riders union... Unity is Strength, comrade 

Not sure about that- equal pay for everyone- that wouldn`t work 

[arnieg 3,644]

There plenty of industries where it is common to place restrictions of self-employed sub-contractors. I don't think Bosman would help any rider seeking to challenge the Polish rules.

[iainb 5,022]

27 minutes ago, arnieg said:

There plenty of industries where it is common to place restrictions of self-employed sub-contractors. I don't think Bosman would help any rider seeking to challenge the Polish rules.

Are they self employed sub contractors in Poland? Or salaried employees? Either way it wouldn't stop you starting a union/ riders association

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706]

13 minutes ago, iainb said:

Are they self employed sub contractors in Poland? Or salaried employees? Either way it wouldn't stop you starting a union/ riders association

Even more in favour of the Polish clubs if they are salaried employees

Most companies will have contact clauses stating you cannot work elsewhere without permission

[TTT 1,229]

Why are KL allowed to run R/R for a rider that no longer rides for them?

[SPEEDY69 1,260]

2 hours ago, arnieg said:

There plenty of industries where it is common to place restrictions of self-employed sub-contractors. I don't think Bosman would help any rider seeking to challenge the Polish rules.

I don't think they are self employed anyway - at least not by the UK definition.  They are contracted workers, which is different.  If you are self employed you can choose to work or not to work as you see fit so I think is why 'Bosman' could not be applied here and if they sign a contract under those terms they have to stick to it or withdraw from it and face the consequences.

[Bald Bloke 3,287]

1 hour ago, TTT said:

Why are KL allowed to run R/R for a rider that no longer rides for them?

I'm no connoisseur of the rules by a long stretch, but withholding his services maybe?

[iainb 5,022]

59 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

I don't think they are self employed anyway - at least not by the UK definition.  They are contracted workers, which is different.  If you are self employed you can choose to work or not to work as you see fit so I think is why 'Bosman' could not be applied here and if they sign a contract under those terms they have to stick to it or withdraw from it and face the consequences.

IR35 could be an issue then ... that would just about finish the sport off in the country

[arnieg 3,644]

1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said:

I don't think they are self employed anyway - at least not by the UK definition.  They are contracted workers, which is different.  If you are self employed you can choose to work or not to work as you see fit so I think is why 'Bosman' could not be applied here and if they sign a contract under those terms they have to stick to it or withdraw from it and face the consequences.

They are definitely self employed. (I'm an a accountant specialising in tax) and I know people who sort out speedway riders tax affairs.