Kings Lynn 2023

[mikebv 10,357]

2 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said:

I feel sorry for PL CEO Phil Morris who seems to have inherited a poison chalice. With the progress being made this season, Phil might find he will be CEO of a league of 3 next season ??

The analogy with a football club valuation just doesn’t work because the riders have no real ££ value given the flaky contracts on which they are employed. They are only contracted from season to season, with no guarantee that they might just go to Poland ….. or retire …….

Or just get dropped and given away o someone else for riding above their average...

[iainb 5,180]

3 hours ago, mikebv said:

You only have to look at the apathy at Swindon to see how little it really means to so many of the followers of the sport..

The ludicrous operating model, and the lack of credibility, integrity, kudos, marketing, and professional administration, has created that apathy...

Basically. If something doesnt mean much to you, then you will hardly miss it when it is gone..

Too many fans can "take it or leave it", and that is 100% all down to those running it who have eroded that so vital emotional attachment.. 

And they have also made the sport probably (at least), 25% more expensive for fans than it should be..

And all done to ensure riders can remain fully professional in a sport that has semi pro level crowds...

And all done in individual splendid isolation, rather than as a collective, with no independent balance checker to see if all OK and on track..

And all done to achieve.... (?).....  

Sadly. It's a plaything for a select few that nowadays  means far too little for far too many of its followers..

I don't know how or why but I think that's just a problem with British society today a general apathy to everything... you only have to look at the news agenda to see that, there's so much to protest about (I'm not going to name specifics as everybody will have their own particular thing that gets their goat). 

Why the masses are not on the street protesting, like the French, I will never know... we seem to have been beaten down so much in this country that generally it seems pointless in protesting about anything... it's too much trouble, nothing will ever get done, money will out... what's the point... and I include myself in that.

Hats off to the Coventry team are like a dog with a bone trying to "save" Coventry Speedway, but, it's been 6 years now and the team are, in reality, no nearer to returning today than they were 6 years ago... and it maybe another 6 and they may be in the same position.

[ouch 1,198]

I hope they don’t get their license revoked due to concerns over the financial management of the club.  Wouldn’t be good if they had significant debt but it looks like the actions of other people are the cause of the problems they have faced this season. 

Deja Vue 

[Phil The Ace 2,864]

Buster can’t afford 1 team. Let alone 2 so could we see a merger of both teams from now on. 
 

sadly close Peterborough and run a mixed team at lynn

 

 

NKI

Klindt

tarasenko

cook

tungate (new signing)

Simon lambert

jenkins/rowe

 

much more competitive team and only paying for 7 riders not 14 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Phil The Ace

[Mr Bee 64]

4 hours ago, mikebv said:

You only have to look at the apathy at Swindon to see how little it really means to so many of the followers of the sport..

The ludicrous operating model, and the lack of credibility, integrity, kudos, marketing, and professional administration, has created that apathy...

Basically. If something doesnt mean much to you, then you will hardly miss it when it is gone..

Too many fans can "take it or leave it", and that is 100% all down to those running it who have eroded that so vital emotional attachment.. 

And they have also made the sport probably (at least), 25% more expensive for fans than it should be..

And all done to ensure riders can remain fully professional in a sport that has semi pro level crowds...

And all done in individual splendid isolation, rather than as a collective, with no independent balance checker to see if all OK and on track..

And all done to achieve.... (?).....  

Sadly. It's a plaything for a select few that nowadays  means far too little for far too many of its followers..

This is spot on. 

As I replied on Twitter last night to Chris Louis, I now live 15 mins from the Leicester track and I don't go. I will not pay 20 plus to watch what is being served up. Guests, poor presentation, poor tracks, badly run meetings, a lack of transparency all amount to my decision.  I will however religiously watch the GP's and the Polish League. I think a lot of us feel the same as Carl Johnson about British Speedway in that we've lost our enthusiasm. It now becomes more of "what shambles will happen this week" rather than looking forward to a meeting. 

Maybe its because I lost my team six years ago, who knows, but at present I feel content that my team isn't part of it. My next meeting will be Cardiff and perhaps another trip to Poland having been earlier in the year. I'd rather spend my money on something that has credibility, integrity, kudos, marketing and is professional. 

I've heard over recent years plenty of people say "if you don't like it, don't go". And there are a lot of us now doing exactly that.

You can read on here how people feel. Ok it maybe only be a small percentage that post but there will be plenty of others that don't visit this forum that will feel exactly the same as I do. I know of others that have given up on it and now spend their money elsewhere. 

I haven't fallen out of love with Speedway, I still love it, I always will. Its my number one sport. But I have fallen out of love with it in this country and the powers that be need to do something to get people like me back.  

Edited July 8, 2023 by Mr Bee

[Haza 1,777]

13 minutes ago, Phil The Ace said:

Buster can’t afford 1 team. Let alone 2 so could we see a merger of both teams from now on. 
 

sadly close Peterborough and run a mixed team at lynn

 

 

NKI

Klindt

tarasenko

cook

tungate (new signing)

Simon lambert

jenkins/rowe

 

much more competitive team and only paying for 7 riders not 14 

 

 

And that’s why Stars v Panthers is off on Monday he’s 14 riders to pay and the numbers don’t add up financially it be suicide to run it - on attendees alone so seeking financial help . 

[HGould 2,215]

1 hour ago, Haza said:

And that’s why Stars v Panthers is off on Monday he’s 14 riders to pay and the numbers don’t add up financially it be suicide to run it - on attendees alone so seeking financial help . 

I think you've hit the nail on the head. 

He's been left with 2 teams, one with no Promoters, the other KL with an experienced but non investing one. 

With deals done by others that probably in the region of 20k to cover all costs. 

Are 1000 going to turn up at 20 quid a pop, no chance. 

The other issue which cant be kicked in to long grass IF there is a return fixture its the same scenario in reverse. 

Are we realistically looking at

BV

Sheffield 

Leicester 

Ipswich 

Poole

Oxford 

Glasgow 

Redcar 

------

Scunthorpe 

Berwick 

Edinburgh? 

Plymouth? 

Birmingham? 

Mildenhall 

Workibgton

Kent

 

2 Divisions next year with top league a PL CL composite and Other a CL NDL compisite

Edited July 8, 2023 by HGould
spell / missed word

[scoobydoo 2,259]

1 hour ago, Haza said:

And that’s why Stars v Panthers is off on Monday he’s 14 riders to pay and the numbers don’t add up financially it be suicide to run it - on attendees alone so seeking financial help . 

 Is he applying for a payday loan to cover the wages of the same 14 riders twice in a week on July 24th & 27th ?

 

[Bagpuss 10,826]

9 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

 Is he applying for a payday loan to cover the wages of the same 14 riders twice in a week on July 24th & 27th ?

 

Don't exist any more do they?

[Skidder1 7,658]

39 minutes ago, HGould said:

I think you've hit the nail on the head. 

He's been left with 2 teams, one with no Promoters, the other KL with an experienced but non investing one. 

With deals done by others that probably in the region of 20k to cover all costs. 

Are 1000 going to turn up at 20 quid a pop, no chance. 

The other issue which cant be kicked in to long grass IF there is a return fixture its the same scenario in reverse. 

Are we realistically looking at

BV

Sheffield 

Leicester 

Ipswich 

Poole

Oxford 

Glasgow 

Redcar 

------

Scunthorpe 

Berwick 

Edinburgh? 

Plymouth? 

Birmingham? 

Mildenhall 

Workibgton

Kent

 

2 Divisions next year with top league a PL CL composite and Other a CL NDL compisite

Not forgetting the possibility of Rye House also!

[Haza 1,777]

13 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

 Is he applying for a payday loan to cover the wages of the same 14 riders twice in a week on July 24th & 27th ?

 

Two meetings in 3 days for Busters clubs in a perfect storm sadly for disaster 14 riders to pay twice poor crowd at both clubs . 
Unless there is a sponsor who perhaps could sponsor both meetings that is going to be a difficult 3 days for both clubs . 

[scoobydoo 2,259]

6 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Don't exist any more do they?

No doubt if you look in the right place , 

[HGould 2,215]

1 minute ago, Skidder1 said:

Not forgetting the possibility of Rye House also!

Would be nice but surely any new entries would have to start in lower level unless they had massive verifiable known backing. 

[scoobydoo 2,259]

Just now, Haza said:

Two meetings in 3 days for Busters clubs in a perfect storm sadly for disaster 14 riders to pay twice poor crowd at both clubs . 
Unless there is a sponsor who perhaps could sponsor both meetings that is going to be a difficult 3 days for both clubs . 

If it was to be an issue why rearrange Monday's match for the 27th 

[Haza 1,777]

13 minutes ago, scoobydoo said:

If it was to be an issue why rearrange Monday's match for the 27th 

And if not an issue why cancel Mondays meeting ?