Edinburgh 2023

[Fromafar 10,366]

1 minute ago, cinderfella said:

Why the hell are we,the paying fans, putting up with our sport being diluted by those who actually run it and yet will probably expect us to pay more?

I am honestly having a serious think about which meeting I will attend next season and although only a single individual whose presence won't be missed at least I know I'm voting with my feet (and wallet)

Maybe if more fans did the same in an organised manner promoters may come to respect fans and their income?

I have the same feelings.I know others who are in the same boat.We’re just “ forum fannies” though they don’t need our cash.They will be telling us they are having to turn people away next no doubt.

[SlicktrackSandy 71]

2 hours ago, cinderfella said:

Why the hell are we,the paying fans, putting up with our sport being diluted by those who actually run it and yet will probably expect us to pay more?

I am honestly having a serious think about which meeting I will attend next season and although only a single individual whose presence won't be missed at least I know I'm voting with my feet (and wallet)

Maybe if more fans did the same in an organised manner promoters may come to respect fans and their income?

It may well be diluted and at present some say poorly run or run with self interest in mind.  However it is still with us and those who chose are able to do so whether in person or streaming.  In 1980 there were 20 teams in the equivalent of the CL and now it looks as if we are down to 9 so we are not exactly in the golden age for Speedway  - but we are still here.  There are clearly a huge number of factors involved in how we have arrived  at where we are.  At present there appear to be only temporary sticking plaster solutions to keep us jogging along until someone comes up with a grand plan to turn things around. Debatable if that will be possible  and even less likely if support further diminishes so it is vital to hold on to and consolidate what we are working with at present. 

Some say costs are too high and  poor value @ £20 or whatever for 90 minutes stood outside and only 15 minutes racing, but that is what Speedway has always been - except delete 20 and insert applicable substitute.  Anyone old enough to remember the early 60's may recall that kids got in for the equivalent of 7.5p and adults about 12.5 p and riders could well have been on 50p a point if they were lucky ( Alan Weeks on BBC TV once mentioned that Barry Briggs got 10 bob ( 50 p ) a point ).  Point being this is 2022 and it costs what it costs to run a Speedway meeting  and keep a club afloat.  Where are we now - max. £90 a point "capped" - suggests one heck of an income required to keep in business.  Have never been a great subscriber to this "value" argument.  Everything's relative on that score i.e. some ( not all ) may easily spend £20 on an evening and p**s it all against a wall never giving it another thought - it's all down to personal choice and rightly so,  Only saying !

 

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by SlicktrackSandy

[phillipsr 2,056]

Scunny look stronger than most especially if as rumoured the last 2 named are Allen and Douglas!!! Strongest reserve named so far in Kennedy and a Number 1 as good as any! 

[TheGuvnor 73]

2 hours ago, cinderfella said:

Why the hell are we,the paying fans, putting up with our sport being diluted by those who actually run it and yet will probably expect us to pay more?

I am honestly having a serious think about which meeting I will attend next season and although only a single individual whose presence won't be missed at least I know I'm voting with my feet (and wallet)

Maybe if more fans did the same in an organised manner promoters may come to respect fans and their income?

Sadly the hardcore seem to be the happy clappers who will gobble up whatever is served and roll out the “keyboard warriors” or “people always moan” lines when challenged. All the while digging deeper in their own pockets to pay a silly amount for a worse product year on year. 

A protest of sorts may make an impact but I’m sure the aforementioned fans would never back it. Then the crowds wouldn’t suffer much at all because the fans who’d vote with their feet largely already have done so. 

[mc131 365]

46 minutes ago, phillipsr said:

Scunny look stronger than most especially if as rumoured the last 2 named are Allen and Douglas!!! Strongest reserve named so far in Kennedy and a Number 1 as good as any! 

A good strength in depth side 

[gmarsbar2 174]

1 hour ago, phillipsr said:

Scunny look stronger than most especially if as rumoured the last 2 named are Allen and Douglas!!! Strongest reserve named so far in Kennedy and a Number 1 as good as any! 

And they'll still be rubbish on the road. 

[scunny1 436]

23 minutes ago, gmarsbar2 said:

And they'll still be rubbish on the road. 

We will always savour 2019 when we won 37-53 at  Ashfield though.

[gmarsbar2 174]

On 12/11/2022 at 8:56 PM, SlicktrackSandy said:

Most would be happy with that team I would have thought.  Doubt if we could have done much better without a major upheaval which nobody would have wanted. If Lasse gets himself a bit more comfortable with the Armadale turns next year we could do o.k.  He looked really fast at Redcar.   Almost certainly good enough for top 6  and maybe even go at least as far as this year.  

Think it did need major surgery, your talking about a team that's built to almost half a point under the points limit and includes to returning assessed 4 point riders who failed to reach that average in 2022. There's loads of 4-5 point riders without a team.

No idea why you'd want Paco Castagna back, signed to be your third heat leader and ended with a 4.93 rolling average. Like someone said, seemed to wait until heat 14 before performing.

Lasse Fredricksen averaged 3.50 in 2022, although he was riding at No2.

Jacob Hook averaged 2.78 at reserve, although he did show in flashes there was potential, so I can see why you would bring him back

 No interest in bringing Drew Kemp back? Looks like no one wants him.

 

[ruffdiamond 6,115]

4 hours ago, cinderfella said:

Why the hell are we,the paying fans, putting up with our sport being diluted by those who actually run it and yet will probably expect us to pay more?

I am honestly having a serious think about which meeting I will attend next season and although only a single individual whose presence won't be missed at least I know I'm voting with my feet (and wallet)

Maybe if more fans did the same in an organised manner promoters may come to respect fans and their income?

Yeah,,, well spare a thoughts for those that will turn up for all meetings. 

They'll probably end up paying even more the following season, cos the likes of you that carn't be arsed!!! 

Edited December 12, 2022 by ruffdiamond

[Mr Blobby 2,662]

5 minutes ago, gmarsbar2 said:

Think it did need major surgery, your talking about a team that's built to almost half a point under the points limit and includes to returning assessed 4 point riders who failed to reach that average in 2022. There's loads of 4-5 point riders without a team.

No idea why you'd want Paco Castagna back, signed to be your third heat leader and ended with a 4.93 rolling average. Like someone said, seemed to wait until heat 14 before performing.

Lasse Fredricksen averaged 3.50 in 2022, although he was riding at No2.

Jacob Hook averaged 2.78 at reserve, although he did show in flashes there was potential, so I can see why you would bring him back

 No interest in bringing Drew Kemp back? Looks like no one wants him.

 

Paco was signed for the middle order was never signed to be 3rd heat leader. That job is for Kye.

[gmarsbar2 174]

12 minutes ago, scunny1 said:

We will always savour 2019 when we won 37-53 at  Ashfield though.

Touché

Beaten by Simon Lambert and a heavy track, as I recall

[Noelinho 922]

14 minutes ago, scunny1 said:

We will always savour 2019 when we won 37-53 at  Ashfield though.

Awful conditions that night, and I'm sure that one match is the reason they try to call things off early now, but it was a good win all the same.

Wait which thread is this?!

[gmarsbar2 174]

6 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said:

Paco was signed for the middle order was never signed to be 3rd heat leader. That job is for Kye.

Think Paco started the 2022 season third in the averages.

I'm sure Kye will do a good job in 2023, certainly not going to challenged for 3rd heatleader

[cinderfella 865]

That's their choice.

I've followed speedway for over 50 years and watched it been totally decayed by mismanagement and greed over the years.

British Speedway has gone from being the jewel in the crown that riders from every nation wanted to ride with 20 teams in the top division all featuring at least one, if not two,  WORLD CLASS riders down to a Mickey Mouse level where even top Brits are posted missing.

The BSPA oversee year after year of embarrassing errors and as long as promoters own team come out smelling of roses then that's OK.

The only way British Speedway will grow and improve is when a totally independent administration takes control.

And if I can't be arsed then maybe it's because I have finally got my priorities sorted.

[Pinny 2,536]

2 hours ago, cinderfella said:

That's their choice.

I've followed speedway for over 50 years and watched it been totally decayed by mismanagement and greed over the years.

British Speedway has gone from being the jewel in the crown that riders from every nation wanted to ride with 20 teams in the top division all featuring at least one, if not two,  WORLD CLASS riders down to a Mickey Mouse level where even top Brits are posted missing.

The BSPA oversee year after year of embarrassing errors and as long as promoters own team come out smelling of roses then that's OK.

The only way British Speedway will grow and improve is when a totally independent administration takes control.

And if I can't be arsed then maybe it's because I have finally got my priorities sorted.

Fully agree.

Each and every off season, fans hope things behind the scenes have a huge shake up and things are promised yet nothing ever improves, only gets worse.

Its alarming how bad the sport has became in the UK now whilst other motorsports seem to be thriving.