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[OveFundinFan 4,143]

Apart from Doyle, Vaculik, Lambert, Get below Wozniak and it all gets a bit iffy with kvech, Pawliki, Becker, Lebedevs. One in the 2024 would be enough, two of them could be a disaster for the series. Lebedevs would be my choice, he has the maturity, but doesn’t seem to be able to nail it when required ie recent SON and now the Challange. Beckets not quite there yet, Pawliki (I remember them both only a few years ago), so it’s got to be Kvech…and I not exactly jumping with joy but perhaps best of that bunch for next year.

[MARK246 243]

1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said:

Apart from Doyle, Vaculik, Lambert, Get below Wozniak and it all gets a bit iffy with kvech, Pawliki, Becker, Lebedevs. One in the 2024 would be enough, two of them could be a disaster for the series. Lebedevs would be my choice, he has the maturity, but doesn’t seem to be able to nail it when required ie recent SON and now the Challange. Beckets not quite there yet, Pawliki (I remember them both only a few years ago), so it’s got to be Kvech…and I not exactly jumping with joy but perhaps best of that bunch for next year.

This is exactly the thinking that holds speedway back. Today two of the top five in the GPs showed their class, but Lambert who is currently eighth was soundly beaten by Kvech and Becker. This is on track that Lambert is the current track record holder, yet people want to stay with the same old faces. 

[DazS 431]

32 minutes ago, MARK246 said:

This is exactly the thinking that holds speedway back. Today two of the top five in the GPs showed their class, but Lambert who is currently eighth was soundly beaten by Kvech and Becker. This is on track that Lambert is the current track record holder, yet people want to stay with the same old faces. 

10 different tracks lambert beats them both 8-2 ,imo

[MARK246 243]

41 minutes ago, DazS said:

10 different tracks lambert beats them both 8-2 ,imo

The only difference between eigth (there are seven worse) in the GP series and Kvech, Pawlicki, Becker and lebedevs is a lack of opportunity nothing more. 

Until the chance happens we will carry on with the same old dross.

[DazS 431]

7 hours ago, MARK246 said:

The only difference between eigth (there are seven worse) in the GP series and Kvech, Pawlicki, Becker and lebedevs is a lack of opportunity nothing more. 

Until the chance happens we will carry on with the same old dross.

name the dross in your opinion?

[r8gdp 461]

Wozniak has earned his place and hopefully will know what to expect when stepping up a level to be competitive in the series.Doyle Vaculik Lambert we re always going to be in next year if they didn’t qualify on merit they would have been given wild cards.It is looking at the moment that Young Kvech could be getting a place and good luck to him he should learn from the experience and hopefully improve from it .Of the riders in the series who don’t get in the top six who do you pick ? . I think we can say goodbye to Kim Nilsen as a defo.Think Holders place is safe.Madsen will be back Woffinden and Fricke also . Janowski Dudek Thomsen could be in trouble Michelsen s should be back via the European championship route.When all said and done who s going to raise their game and challenge Zmarzlik because barring injury he s got this years wrapped up well before the final round.

[OveFundinFan 4,143]

8 hours ago, MARK246 said:

The only difference between eigth (there are seven worse) in the GP series and Kvech, Pawlicki, Becker and lebedevs is a lack of opportunity nothing more. 

Until the chance happens we will carry on with the same old dross.

Go on Wikipedia and search for “speedway gp challenge”, take a look back through the years. First off, you will notice the top three every year are usually dominated by the current (for that year) gp riders. However sometimes in the top three you will see a “new” name, like Wozniak this year, who will be in the following years GP series. So follow these names into the following year gp series and see how they do. For starters, take last yeas Challenge winner Kim Nilson. Then go back year by year. Success is not guaranteed.  Michel Mickelson came as winner of SEC, how’s he doing.  For sure change is needed,  new faces are needed, but not 3 or 4 a year. And there could be a case made that when someone comes into the gps they need continuity of more than one year, two years at least. Why? GP is at a different level to league racing… fitness, mechanics, money (sponsors). Even then success is not guaranteed. Take Anders Thomson, very competent rider, came in last year and won a GP, brilliant first year, gets a ticket for this year. Unfortunately now badly injured, but prior to injury how well was he doing? Would he be in next years gp series? Yet I reckon Anders Thomson is a better rider than Kvech, Becker, Pawliki and add Lebedevs too.  Take Lebedevs, been around a few years, age about 28. He’s been in a few gp challages, check out his results. Well capable of scoring 7-9 in a challenge final, but that’s it. He’s peaked (sadly, because I like his riding and been willing him on). Putting Lebedevs into a GP series would see him scoring 4-7. For sure I think occasionally he could ruffle a few feathers, which would be good, but not regularly. I don’t want to hold anyone back, look at Bewley, Lambert, JHolder….. they were given there chance and have embraced it fully….. not everyone can/will. Be careful what you wish for.

Edited August 20, 2023 by OveFundinFan

[iainb 5,024]

12 hours ago, hagonshocker said:

And what exactly is wrong with that??!! 

He probably cut across an Edinburgh rider about 20 years ago!

[iainb 5,024]

41 minutes ago, r8gdp said:

 Michelsen s should be back via the European championship route.

It's probably been done to death elsewhere but how is it fair that Michelsen can qualify from the SEC while the likes of Becker & Lidsey can't even compete in that competition?

Edited August 20, 2023 by iainb

[2ndbendbeerhut 1,781]

Bring back the old format. Bottom 7 in SGP goto challenge with 9 new faces. Then the top 5 or 6 from this meeting qualify with the others made up from wildcards... but wildcards used due to injuries or genuine bad luck from the challenge.  

This then means that the riders in the top 5 or 6 are better( all be it on a one off meeting) than the ones they replacing.

Look at this year's challenge .. Doyle Vaculik Lambert at top. Which they should be... but if a Wozniak qualifies he does it by being better than 1 of current sgp line up. 

Andy Smith kept getting in the SGP through the challenge by being better than a newbie...

Edited August 20, 2023 by 2ndbendbeerhut

[Hackett 220]

Looking at the averages on the PGE Ekstraliga most of the top 20 are the SGP riders. Laguta and Sayfutdinov are not featured due to political restrictions. Kolodziej has had his time in the SGP and admittedly is having some sort of resurgence currently both in the SEC and the League. Wozniak has earnt his spot through the SGP Challenge already and the only other young rider that you would imagine being considered could be Cierniak. 

That apart it is pretty much the same riders even if they drop the political restrictions and allow Sayfutdinov and Laguta back in . 

1st Zmarzlik 

2nd Sayfutdinov 

3rd Kolodziej

4th Madsen 

5th Laguta A 

6th Vaculik

7th Kubera

8th Thomsen 

9th Holder J

10th Bewley

11th Lindgren 

12th Wozniak 

13th Michelsen 

14th Fricke 

15th Doyle 

16th Pedersen 

17th Janowski 

18th Lambert 

19th Woffinden 

20th Cierniak 

24th Dudek 

 

 

 

[eric i 620]

Kolodziej has been in the top 15 of the polish averages for years, but he often goes missing on the foreign tracks. 

Cierniak is a hell of a rider but his average maybe slightly inflated due to riding in the reserves race.

Some of the old pros like Doyle and Lindgren will raise there game a little for the gps.

[JanAndersen 822]

On 8/19/2023 at 8:28 PM, hagonshocker said:

And what exactly is wrong with that??!! 

He’s the darling for whatever reason. I personally think his riding can go beyond hard. 

[Ghostwalker 1,859]

On 8/19/2023 at 7:27 PM, Bavarian said:

The PZM is absolutely against them, even though they are (technically) legal Polish passport holders and citizens. Emil and Artem should be allowed to compete in the SGP under a neutral flag. It is a crying shame if they are not allowed back into the Grand Prix.

Why? Why should Artem and Emil be given exceptions? Whee do draw the limit on who he should be given / not given exceptions.

[DazS 431]

12 minutes ago, Ghostwalker said:

Why? Why should Artem and Emil be given exceptions? Whee do draw the limit on who he should be given / not given exceptions.

even though it is the normal people who get involved in wars and kill each other, the war has got nothing to do with the people. its the people who brainwash them to go to war who have the agenda. it works for them every time.