TheGuvnor 73 Posted November 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Najjer said: This is actually the biggest mistake of the AGM - the rider absences and guests last year turned into an absolute joke due to rider shortage. This was a problem at both levels but especially at Championship. With Leicester now moving up that seems to make the problem even worse at Premiership level though regardless of a few extra riders coming from the Polish league which were blocked before. That will not offer more options in the middle and lower ends of teams where teams needed it last season. Going to 6 man teams would of freed up 16 team places in total and eased that problem. Guests should be blocked unless they are replacing a reserve (or in the Premiership scenario the squad member rising star is used - this should of been introduced at Championship level too) or if there are two riders missing from one side. They could then use RR and a guest. There would be less travel costs for promotors to pay out, less signing on fees, riders would be getting more rides every night so earning more money and there would be a greater source of rider availability. Lower costs for teams, riders earning more, less guests/riders missing, what is not to like?? Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised but I am dumbfounded that they have done absolutely nothing to ease or stop this problem. There’s no rider shortage. The issue is British Speedway trying to operate at a level higher than that of the riders willing to race here. The product needs to be weakened from top to bottom. Not because of cost cutting, but out of necessity. The standard of riders we used to attract don’t want to be here now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skodaman 192 Posted November 17, 2022 4 hours ago, mikebv said: 6 man teams would take too many slots away for riders.... The vast majority of whom DU now "to make ends meet".... And their income will already be hit given the CL have halved the amount of league fixtures from the original plan, so taking away 7 places out of the Premiership would be too much for some riders I would think.. I do think that 6 man teams in the top league would be an opportunity though, just as long as the standard is kept to a "good level", eg 42 points is 7 points per rider, which would give decent meetings... 39 points, and an RS, is an average of 6.5 a rider plus the RS, so not too bad a standard I would suggest... The RS list will be interesting to see... Who gains and who doesnt? Don't forget the complaints on here about the season not finishing on time.. You can' have it both ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Najjer 2,890 Posted November 17, 2022 Just now, TheGuvnor said: There’s no rider shortage. The issue is British Speedway trying to operate at a level higher than that of the riders willing to race here. The product needs to be weakened from top to bottom. Not because of cost cutting, but out of necessity. The standard of riders we used to attract don’t want to be here now. Rubbish. How is it so then that Birmingham and Plymouth went a whole season without finding suitable replacements for riders who were unavailable from March/April? Likewise Kings Lynn with Iversen 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGuvnor 73 Posted November 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Najjer said: Rubbish. How is it so then that Birmingham and Plymouth went a whole season without finding suitable replacements for riders who were unavailable from March/April? Likewise Kings Lynn with Iversen What you’ve done here is provide examples to support my point. The Premiership tries to operate at a standard higher than that of the riders who want to ride in Britain. That’s why Lynn couldn’t replace Iversen (as well as the Polish leagues rule, the points limit for last year should have accounted for this anyway). That then trickles down the levels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TB1 130 Posted November 17, 2022 So in essence the dying patient has been administered another years worth of morphine! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eric i 620 Posted November 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, TheGuvnor said: There’s no rider shortage. The issue is British Speedway trying to operate at a level higher than that of the riders willing to race here. The product needs to be weakened from top to bottom. Not because of cost cutting, but out of necessity. The standard of riders we used to attract don’t want to be here now. I think the championship should be weakened, weed out the elderly number 1s who double up making good money scoring double figures 4 times a week. They should be replaced youths out the NL. The second division never used to have so much doubling up, it was more amateurish with many riders having second jobs outside of speedway, I think a rider should only get so many years doubling up ( to aid their development) before they should have to choose their league. The CLRC has become pathetic now the riders all double up and don't care much for the league. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gambo 1,341 Posted November 17, 2022 Two points that needs to be addressed/revealed by the BSPL regarding the Super Heat. What is the outcome of a (1st leg) meeting that is curtailed prior to a Super Heat being able to be run? What happens if the 2nd leg is curtailed prior to a Super Heat being able to be run, with the teams level on aggregate? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JCookie 753 Posted November 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, TheGuvnor said: There’s no rider shortage. The issue is British Speedway trying to operate at a level higher than that of the riders willing to race here. The product needs to be weakened from top to bottom. Not because of cost cutting, but out of necessity. The standard of riders we used to attract don’t want to be here now. There is a rider shortage in speedway in general, never mind only in Britain. Hardly any young riders coming through who aren't Polish, and most of those won't reach the top level. The product in this country probably does need to be reviewed, and weakened possibly, because I'd imagine your mid level journeyman probably struggle to make it pay for the most part. I'd agree with you there. Problem is if you weaken it more then it's not far off rock bottom. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Skodaman said: Don't forget the complaints on here about the season not finishing on time.. You can' have it both ways. The best part of 30 weeks should really be enough to do a max 16 home matches in the league if they did two home and two away, and then ran a semi and a final.... Edited November 17, 2022 by mikebv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,650 Posted November 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Gambo said: Two points that needs to be addressed/revealed by the BSPL regarding the Super Heat. What is the outcome of a (1st leg) meeting that is curtailed prior to a Super Heat being able to be run? What happens if the 2nd leg is curtailed prior to a Super Heat being able to be run, with the teams level on aggregate? And if the first leg needs a super heat what is the score for purposes of aggregate bonus point? And if second leg also requires a superheat do you have one or two superheats? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,043 Posted November 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, Gambo said: Two points that needs to be addressed/revealed by the BSPL regarding the Super Heat. What is the outcome of a (1st leg) meeting that is curtailed prior to a Super Heat being able to be run? What happens if the 2nd leg is curtailed prior to a Super Heat being able to be run, with the teams level on aggregate? It's possible they never thought of that! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,043 Posted November 17, 2022 9 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Super heat for draw Super heat for aggregate tie Here goes - both legs end 45-45 Super heat required - one team could then get 2 "match wins" and gain 4 points to opposition 0 Aggregate tie Super heat - the other side win it and get a point Si we have the situation where 1 side "wins" both legas but doesn't get the aggregate bonus point...... Winning a super heat gets you 2 points, losing a super heat gets you 1 point. So it wouldn't be 4-0. They also announced if the both legs were tied the super heat in the second leg would would for the match points & the bonus point! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,043 Posted November 17, 2022 9 hours ago, 40-38 said: Top 4 playoffs out of 7 bit silly, should be leader through to final and 2 v 3 for last place. Same in both leagues, has to be a benefit to finishing top. The mini league in the championship for playoffs are ludicrous for that reason. At least it's better than 4 out of 6 qualifying! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,043 Posted November 17, 2022 On 11/16/2022 at 2:11 PM, TheGuvnor said: With regard to the play-offs, a six team league having four play-off places is ridiculous. While the meetings in theory should draw bigger crowds for the qualifying sides having over half the league qualifying for the play-offs makes a mockery of the entire season. Play-offs are good for the TV granted but we should be looking at what’s good for the sport as a whole first and foremost. If we must persist then it should be three teams. 2nd versus 3rd in a semi for the right to a two legged tie against the team that finishes top. The problem with 2nd vs 3rd, winner meets 1st. Is that whoever wins the semi gets two bumper crowds & table toppers only get one. Plus 1st place team will be more rusty than their opponents. No point having a situation where finishing top could be a hindrance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,362 Posted November 17, 2022 7 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: So it's now 6 rider teams in the Premiership. Their announcement says it includes a Rising Star, not plus a rising star. So, will the heat format be changing? No it doesn't. It says: "POINTS LIMIT: 39.00 for six riders, teams to also include one Rising Star." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
