The Third Man 2,217 Posted September 29, 2023 45 minutes ago, yorkshiretyke said: But yet, the only reason why Ipswich are even in the final is due to a Peterborough team (that made as many, if not more changes than Sheffield) winning an unlikely tie on aggregate against Leicester after improving their team massively. But of course, that was all fine!! Sheffield made changes when certain riders were underperforming, Ipswich didn't despite many fans calling for King (at that point) and Riss to go. Are Sheffield any stronger with guests than with Tai and Tobi, not on paper but could be. Are they any stronger than the first team put together, not really. It is what it is!! Lets just hope for a great close final and may the best team win! That's just too sensible for some of the Ipswich fans to understand 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJC 251 Posted September 29, 2023 Looking forward to his expose/bombshell story in the winter about how bad British speedway is being run when he's the main person taking advantage of it. His team win a meeting that puts another team through and he gets 3 more chances to earn some money off the back of it. Shame cup-tied isn't a thing in speedway! But, it wouldn't be a speedway play off final without him in there somewhere, even if it's just Kelvin droning on about him crashing and winning the rerun all those years ago. Last 10 years I think he's only missed 2 finals 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted September 29, 2023 49 minutes ago, yorkshiretyke said: But yet, the only reason why Ipswich are even in the final is due to a Peterborough team (that made as many, if not more changes than Sheffield) winning an unlikely tie on aggregate against Leicester after improving their team massively. But of course, that was all fine!! Sheffield made changes when certain riders were underperforming, Ipswich didn't despite many fans calling for King (at that point) and Riss to go. Are Sheffield any stronger with guests than with Tai and Tobi, not on paper but could be. Are they any stronger than the first team put together, not really. It is what it is!! Lets just hope for a great close final and may the best team win! No disagreement from me on the principle of what went on at Peterborough has been a complete crock of rubbish too. A typical speedway shambles Ipswich actually had to go to both Boro and Lynn after each had strengthened where others didn't so I'd hardly say that it was cut and dried that it was only that that Leicester defeat that meant qualification Too many variable to pin it on one instance but carry on with the smoke and mirrors distraction tactics..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorkshiretyke 59 Posted September 29, 2023 24 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: Massively. Course they are Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,615 Posted September 29, 2023 36 minutes ago, SUPERACE said: It's a shambles that Chris Harris can guest For Sheffield having already rode for Ipswich. The rules are making a joke of the sport again. Are they..I followed speedway for years are in a new match you can use a guest if the ave is correct . I expect Harris has rode for most teams this year.. no idea what all the fuss is about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yorkshiretyke 59 Posted September 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: No disagreement from me on the principle of what went on at Peterborough has been a complete crock of rubbish too. A typical speedway shambles Ipswich actually had to go to both Boro and Lynn after each had strengthened where others didn't so I'd hardly say that it was cut and dried that it was only that that Leicester defeat that meant qualification Too many variable to pin it on one instance but carry on with the smoke and mirrors distraction tactics..... But so did Sheffield have to go to Peterborough (twice) after them strengthening - and lost twice. We all agree, speedway in this country is a complete shambles, but i don't think Sheffield had much choice in what they have done, certainly no different to what other teams would do if they can/could. This is a forum and people will defend/criticize their own and or others - its life. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,615 Posted September 29, 2023 22 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Indeed he should And what happened to the "gentleman's agreement" that was supposedly in place to prevent it despite the regs not ruling it out? Can only assume that means that one of the parties isn't a gentleman..... What gentleman agreement was that.. got a link to it? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted September 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, yorkshiretyke said: But so did Sheffield have to go to Peterborough (twice) after them strengthening - and lost twice. We all agree, speedway in this country is a complete shambles, but i don't think Sheffield had much choice in what they have done, certainly no different to what other teams would do if they can/could. This is a forum and people will defend/criticize their own and or others - its life. They had a choice to use Lambert - on a ridiculously low assessed average and unavailable in terms of how the guest rule has always been interpreted OR if he was awarded a true figure They had a choice to use Harris who has already ridden in the play offs No point in anymore debate about either really I will likely be I the minority but I will again choose not to part with my cash to see this as it doesn't meet the principles I expect Enjoy yourself 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,615 Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: They had a choice to use Lambert - on a ridiculously low assessed average and unavailable in terms of how the guest rule has always been interpreted OR if he was awarded a true figure They had a choice to use Harris who has already ridden in the play offs No point in anymore debate about either really I will likely be I the minority but I will again choose not to part with my cash to see this as it doesn't meet the principles I expect Enjoy yourself Made up principles in your case... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,780 Posted September 29, 2023 Is Lambert actually assessed or was that BSF tittle tattle? Agree on Harris though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AceBelle 43 Posted September 29, 2023 The likes of Lambert woffinden etc on low averages will be gone next season because they have new averages gained this season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPEEDY69 1,260 Posted September 29, 2023 9 minutes ago, AceBelle said: The likes of Lambert woffinden etc on low averages will be gone next season because they have new averages gained this season Lambert doesn't, unless guest booking count? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted September 29, 2023 39 minutes ago, orion said: Made up principles in your case... All principles are made up "a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behaviour or for a chain of reasoning" The literal dictionary definition...... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald Bloke 3,287 Posted September 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, AceBelle said: The likes of Lambert woffinden etc on low averages will be gone next season because they have new averages gained this season Have they done 3 home and 3 away meetings this season.Play offs don’t count I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arch Stanton 2,255 Posted September 29, 2023 2 hours ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Are Sheffield stronger with Lambert & Harris over Woffinden and Musielak? The answer is no. Ipswich should stop moaning and get on with it. Whether they’re stronger or weaker is irrelevant. As ever, you’ve missed the point completely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
