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Traditional race sheet for 2019 Torun GP https://www.keepandshare.com/doc16/23878/gp-19-10-pdf-429k?da=y

I still remain convinced there is no justification for an aging Hancock, he will not add anything to the SGP. However, I guess that was why Monster ensure he was in Cardiff to go on TV to say he wants a place.

What a genuine guy Madsen is. One of the first out to congratulate Zmarzlik. Proper sportsman who gets unfair flack.

Pish! It's EASY to win a GP series! One-off World Finals were far better, and really showed the better riders! The calibre of rider at this level today is crap! These riders wouldn't even have been good enough to get in a BL team in the 60's and 70's! (At least, that's what I read on the BSF...)

They really are a painful listen!

Hmmmm... How long have you got? Of course, I wasn't able to personally witness things, but I know a number of forum members have... Steve

What's the story with Lasse Bjerre - is he likely to be riding in the final? Choice of guests will be very important for both teams - I make Redcar the favourites, however it is a lot closer between the teams than many may think - Diamonds have got quite a few who can have good meetings at Redcar - and Ulrich might just come back tobite us big time. However the most important aspect is the fact that we finally have a major final between these two sides - lets make it a great event and show the rest of the Championship the passion we have in the North east, this is great for both promotions - and whilst we all know both clubs have some "supporters" who will view this as an opportunity to "have a go" at the opposition and their fans, I sincerely hope the true speedway supporters in each club will get behind their team, but show respect to the opponents and applaud good riding by all riders, whatever colours they are wearing

You are right actually, the entertainment part hadn't crossed my mind. Without Heeps we would have hardly seen anything entertaining at all at Foxhall. A good reason for me to say, excellent point Arch, and an excellent reason for keeping him for next season. You have changed my mind.

If they had suits that is

This thread shouldn't be happening until after the play offs, not right! Just support your play off final team, there's the whole close season for saying who you'd keep and wouldn't keep!!!!

Couldn't be called Middlesborough, as there is no such place as Middlesborough. There is a Middlesbrough though. Hope that explains why Lester fans asked the question.

Dan put him on ignore and don’t reply to him then we won’t have to read his drivel

Klindt could well move to Foxhall.........bit like football where a player shows form for a smaller club before moving on to a bigger club

Yeah, offering a 4 time World Champion who rightfully qualified before his wife's illness sure does 'make a mockery'. He deserves a place until it's proven he isn't up to it anymore.

Why Hancock? I am just amazed everyone saying he is a banker... judging by the Monster PR stunt of bringing him to Cardiff, he may well be offered a place but if that happens it makes a mockery of the sport. It would be a 'mates gift sentimental wildcard', not based on sporting justification. He's 50, he's missed a season and as of a couple of weeks ago he could not even say if he would be able to ride. If he is offered a wildcard, he needs to be given a deadline to commit to be fair to any replacement.

Well done Bartosz. I hope Emil learns how to race in the semi finals (had first pick 6 times and never won a semi final all season). Had the most points in the qualifying heats all season (Emil 108, Bartosz 103 and Leon 96).

Tatum's slurring and spluttering has picked up with Pearson's shouting, if it goes down to the final I might have to switch off the volume.

Why? If you love entertaining speedway then Bartosz is the man. Nice guy too.

Madsen blew it this year when the nerves got him in Denmark. If he had had even a decent gp in Voyens he would have probably have been World Champion this year. A much more accomplished looking rider than helium boy.

bjcol !!

I thought the discussion might be more on whether I'd actually placed Jack Parker high enough The winner of the sport's premier event in both 1934 and 1947 (including toppling the "unbeatable" Duggan in the '47 final). One of the top riders for a long, long time. Made the Match-Race Championship his own personal property for a number of years.

He did beat Malcolm Simmons though!

Mickthemuppet did compare Williams and Craven. He said Freddie beat PC far more often. That was when I noted PC was 8 years younger and a rising star at the time. For me wrong to do that , and even more so if mick had mainly for instance seen their clashes at Wembley rather that Belle Vue. All distorts the impression

I'm guessing this must be the first time ever that a thread on the Speedway Forum has moved into other interesting discussions not directly related to the original op.

I knew getting the back straight bogs listed status would come good.

Same as me. I don't think there were any in 1958 and 1959. There was also the People's Guide 1947 to 49; Lennon's Annual 1946-7 and Astoria's 1953 to 1958.

During the war.

TRACK watering has been a bone of contention this year, especially in a bitterly cold stadium. Earlier this season, in Wroclaw, the local guys stepped in and took over track preparation.

Yes I remember his bad behavior.I think he went through an ''arrogant'' stage as did Bomber following his GP win in 2007. Fortunately they have both had reality checks since realising they are best concentrating on ''bread and butter'' speedway and will never be world champions. I enjoy their racing all the more for it.

Memories from being a kid at Coventry I would say Nigel Boocock and in more recent times it would have to be Billy Janirro -- not for his success as a number 1 (which he never was) but just loved the way he took no nonsense (with the assistance of his elbows). Master bonus point rider

As long as you know who I'm talking about it wouldn't worry about it

I totally get what you are saying, and as I said, I always appreciate reason and logic. The thing with Price, it wasn't just him... How many other riders could have developed into world-beaters had the war not intervened? You seem to be taking my first point a little to literally, though! There WERE events, just nothing like we have had since, and certainly not at a true international level. Having said that, there can be little doubt that virtually all of the world's best riders at that point were competing in the UK. So, even domestic meetings could be used here.

Talking of eric , i asked a couple who are on the bus from halifax if they had heard of tai woffindon, no never heard of him how about eric boocock i said , oh yes he rode for the dukes didnt he sign of the times eh.

I've never noticed that before... you live and learn

I'm looking forward to it, hopefully the weather plays ball.

Sector K(the middle).Only 2 rows of seats in the whole sector.Have sat in that section of the stadium since GPs were held at Warszawa Narodowy Stadion.

A better track for 6 riders per race. Most races were a bit strung out tonight. Jaimon did really well. If he keeps progression up he should be in the top 5 next year. Kuberra bottled it a bit but being in it next year he should be in the running for top 3. Chiganov will be there next year, could have been champion this year, so I expect him to be up near the top next year.

7 Nuts is KP I think?

Would have Heeps Lawson and Allen of Ipswich in, and Jensen above Ellis. Not surprised Holder has dropped out, poor form last month. Muesli has gone down. I will go Doyle, Batch, Thorsell, Masters, Lambo, Iversen, Fricke, Bjerre, Kurtz, Klindt, Cookie, Jensen, Ellis, Grajczonek, King, Lawson, Allen, Heeps, Morris, Riss.

Why do you keep posting negative weather reports? Where do you live? I live inMiddlesbrough and the weather is OK !

Very poor attendance for a play off game . crowd swelled by 100+ Brummies . Racing was non existent a very poor spectacle. Even at a tenner offer very poor value for money . As i always say the gulf in riders ability in this league is utterly ridiculous .

When will the BSPA learn, playoffs should start at beginning of September, and finished by end of September. Fixture scheduling is terrible, there is not that many fixtures and some teams go weeks without a home meeting. Also if a meeting is rained off earlier in season it should be re-arranged within 2 weeks not just sticking it on the end of the fixtures.

Cost of reasonable industrial strength tarpaulin with eyelets and fastening clips in suffient volume (say 80000m2) to fully cover a track would be circa £17500. Putting aside the length of time it would take for a team (of volunteers?) to erect and then take down and where such a large and weighty mass would be stored, it is questionable if such cost is justifiable v value of saving meetings from being rained off particularly since the cover would need to be fully removed a good number of hours before the meeting to allow for track preperation which would leave it open to the elements anyway.

Morning all, I’m happy to report that the track is absolutely fine after last night. We had no rain on Wednesday which left the track dry yesterday. The track was packed hard yesterday afternoon so it would take the rain forecast overnight. We have some rain forecast this afternoon, but this evening should be dry and we don’t anticipate any problems with our meeting going ahead. Racing conditions should be excellent and will make for a superb Semi-Final. We have opened up the back straight for additional viewing facilities and we have a 2nd paramedic booked, so the meeting should run smoothly. Hope to see plenty of you there this evening! Jitendra Duffill

I glad you liked my unbiased updates because i only text what actually happened. No Rebels were warned all night because they didn't move!

Same with Cowley Stadium.

Sportowe Fakty regularly run a fan poll to choose which Swedish Elitserien match should be shown on their website. Dackarna are usually the choice, where available. Dackarna track Maciej Janowski, Patryk Dudek, Piotr Pawlicki and Kacper Gomolski plus three Swedes. I think that supports Mike's view on what attracts Polish neutral viewers.......

The difference between building from scratch and simply improving the stadium is simple. In one case you are literally having to build from nothing but in the case of Brafield you have a long- established and respected venue with a track already in place and basic stadium facilities. BriSCA hold their European Championship there and while it's a while since I regularly worked there it had facilities that were perfectly adequate for higher stock car crowds with plenty of scope for improvement. It's been around for decades, albeit without speedway since the sixties. There are tracks in the CL and NDL with sparser facilities. As a new Northampton Speedway, yes, despite its fairly isolated location. I doubt whether we'll be seeing a revival of Brafield Badgers, but not a replacement for Coventry and should not be used as an excuse to prevent a Brandon revival. Congratulations to the team carrying on the fight and thank you for your efforts. Both speedway and stock cars desperately need a thriving Brandon.

Les scored an impressive 10 points at Wimbledon in a World Championship Qualifying Round in 1955 and scored well for 2nd Division Rayleigh in a challenge at home to Wimbledon, following which he made guest appearances for the Dons against Odsal and Norwich in National League fixtures, together with home and away challenges against Wembley.

He was a true gentleman as you say, and what a terrific World Champion and ambassador he could of been if 1986 had of gone his way.Do you think he was good anough to be a world champion??? my view is certainly yes he was.He is in a small group of riders i believe were good anough to be World champion but for whatever reason it never quite happened a few example's, Farndon, Duggan, Huxley, Warren, Sigalos, Adams, Carter, .