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Traditional race sheet for 2019 Torun GP https://www.keepandshare.com/doc16/23878/gp-19-10-pdf-429k?da=y

I still remain convinced there is no justification for an aging Hancock, he will not add anything to the SGP. However, I guess that was why Monster ensure he was in Cardiff to go on TV to say he wants a place.

What a genuine guy Madsen is. One of the first out to congratulate Zmarzlik. Proper sportsman who gets unfair flack.

Pish! It's EASY to win a GP series! One-off World Finals were far better, and really showed the better riders! The calibre of rider at this level today is crap! These riders wouldn't even have been good enough to get in a BL team in the 60's and 70's! (At least, that's what I read on the BSF...)

They really are a painful listen!

Hmmmm... How long have you got? Of course, I wasn't able to personally witness things, but I know a number of forum members have... Steve

What's the story with Lasse Bjerre - is he likely to be riding in the final? Choice of guests will be very important for both teams - I make Redcar the favourites, however it is a lot closer between the teams than many may think - Diamonds have got quite a few who can have good meetings at Redcar - and Ulrich might just come back tobite us big time. However the most important aspect is the fact that we finally have a major final between these two sides - lets make it a great event and show the rest of the Championship the passion we have in the North east, this is great for both promotions - and whilst we all know both clubs have some "supporters" who will view this as an opportunity to "have a go" at the opposition and their fans, I sincerely hope the true speedway supporters in each club will get behind their team, but show respect to the opponents and applaud good riding by all riders, whatever colours they are wearing

You are right actually, the entertainment part hadn't crossed my mind. Without Heeps we would have hardly seen anything entertaining at all at Foxhall. A good reason for me to say, excellent point Arch, and an excellent reason for keeping him for next season. You have changed my mind.

If they had suits that is

This thread shouldn't be happening until after the play offs, not right! Just support your play off final team, there's the whole close season for saying who you'd keep and wouldn't keep!!!!

Couldn't be called Middlesborough, as there is no such place as Middlesborough. There is a Middlesbrough though. Hope that explains why Lester fans asked the question.

Dan put him on ignore and don’t reply to him then we won’t have to read his drivel

Klindt could well move to Foxhall.........bit like football where a player shows form for a smaller club before moving on to a bigger club

Yeah, offering a 4 time World Champion who rightfully qualified before his wife's illness sure does 'make a mockery'. He deserves a place until it's proven he isn't up to it anymore.

Why Hancock? I am just amazed everyone saying he is a banker... judging by the Monster PR stunt of bringing him to Cardiff, he may well be offered a place but if that happens it makes a mockery of the sport. It would be a 'mates gift sentimental wildcard', not based on sporting justification. He's 50, he's missed a season and as of a couple of weeks ago he could not even say if he would be able to ride. If he is offered a wildcard, he needs to be given a deadline to commit to be fair to any replacement.

Well done Bartosz. I hope Emil learns how to race in the semi finals (had first pick 6 times and never won a semi final all season). Had the most points in the qualifying heats all season (Emil 108, Bartosz 103 and Leon 96).

Tatum's slurring and spluttering has picked up with Pearson's shouting, if it goes down to the final I might have to switch off the volume.

Why? If you love entertaining speedway then Bartosz is the man. Nice guy too.

Madsen blew it this year when the nerves got him in Denmark. If he had had even a decent gp in Voyens he would have probably have been World Champion this year. A much more accomplished looking rider than helium boy.

bjcol !!

I thought the discussion might be more on whether I'd actually placed Jack Parker high enough The winner of the sport's premier event in both 1934 and 1947 (including toppling the "unbeatable" Duggan in the '47 final). One of the top riders for a long, long time. Made the Match-Race Championship his own personal property for a number of years.

He did beat Malcolm Simmons though!

Mickthemuppet did compare Williams and Craven. He said Freddie beat PC far more often. That was when I noted PC was 8 years younger and a rising star at the time. For me wrong to do that , and even more so if mick had mainly for instance seen their clashes at Wembley rather that Belle Vue. All distorts the impression

I'm guessing this must be the first time ever that a thread on the Speedway Forum has moved into other interesting discussions not directly related to the original op.

I knew getting the back straight bogs listed status would come good.

Times aren't that important if the racing was ok considering the conditions.. but as it was a nothing meeting all the riders came away injury free which is a bonus

Great GP, Madsen one bad GP was the difference, but credit to Zmarszlik.

FFS why does Pearson have to confuse with his weird scoring comments. Just before heat 20, if Bartosz wins this then Madsen will need to do X,Y,Z. Why not wait 60 seconds until after the race when you have the hear result and then say what Madsen needs to do.

That's why I like being a miserable git, and hate everyone equally!

I see Pearson and Tatum are back to their worst, not a single mention of the nesr disaster for Lambert in heat one, seems like they just want to out shout each other.

What about the unwritten rule, 'let's just see what we can get away with'

A field of great speculation of course, who would have won the War Time championships. Vic Duggan, Jack Parker, Eric Langton, Cordy Milne, Tommy Price, Eric Chitty....all arguably would have been at their peak during that period.

That's true but they're both awkward tracks.

Lovely weather in Torun today

That was not, a typical Redcar meeting. The track was very heavy, (due to the weather) and consequently the outside line was not effective. The racing wasn't great to be honest, but it was about getting it on. I think it affected some of the Redcar riders, (when they missed the gate), but credit to Douglas and Mountain, who were excellent for Leicester. The tie is still alive (just), Leicester had a couple of lucky breaks, last night, maybe Redcar might get some in the away leg.

Thought the idea was giving a rider a 'brand' name and selling point? Do agree though, its pretty pointless. Should be 1-15 on how they stand going into the round IMO and 16 for wildcard.

Those I’ve seen: 1. Peter Craven 2. Peter Collins 3. Michael Lee 4. Tai Woffinden 5. Mark Loram 6. Gary Havelock Wish the list was longer, but then I’d be even older than I am now If Jack Parker qualifies, I did see him ride at Hackney in 1978, so he would creep in at no.7 as he didn’t look that good

Yes, I take your point, but the problem here is that riders like Price and Williams didn't have the same opportunities as modern day riders like Woffinden, or even Collins, to ride in other top level events as there weren't any. One of the difficulties in comparing riders from different eras. Also the league in the late 40s and early 50s did contain all the world's top riders of the day, so, in a way, league averages were probably much more important in those days as a comparison between riders. And, in fact, my earlier post was only a comparison between Price and Williams and my attempt to explain why I would place Price above Williams.

I gathered that and as it was a nothing meeting and had to be ridden to get the fixture in.It just shows a disregard to the paying customer again.

its Redcar and Cleveland council land so they wanted the name used. I believe Middlesbrough Council were not exactly v helpful in finding suitable land.

About time Danny King rode for the team who hold his registration.

You said we were short changed which is a false statement against the owners. We got exactly what we paid for. You wanting more meetings is not an issue, but those meetings would not of been on the season ticket.

Wrong- he is one of the 5 riders nominated for best foreign rider of the season !!

If they rode this meeting in my back garden I’d pull the curtains.

Spoilsport

I make that 43.81 including Kings -2.5%

Come on you know Josh G wanted to ride for Ipswich this season judging by his kevlars.

The issue for finding a new "Brandon" is that you have to find a location suitable to have 40 add coaches running through a village when the stox are on, and finished. The current location is perfect. I went not long back and it's a mess but on what scale is expected to be refurbished too? The stands are good, the tracks still there and a few mobile bars and it's a start. It would need sizeable investment for lighting and the repair work for fencing then there is the electrics that have been ripped out of everywhere you can imagine. The land has opportunity for other local and community projects and trying to find land to build a new track on is a needle in a haystack. It will be intresting to see the response if any though from Brandon Estates. Where does this leave them? How far will they go before thinking lets just sell it and move onto another plot of land elsewhere. My saying all along is that they purchased a viable Motorsport stadium, not a housing estate to be. There must be easier and less challenging avenues for them to look at, save coventry speedway team have given them a fight they never expected and Jeff, David and co won't give up now ...Can't wait to get back and help tidy the old place up....

Brafield (not Bradfield) is some 40 miles from Coventry