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Correct, which part didn't I get right??? You said he would also be at Wolves, which is exactly what I said in the post you quoted. Which was wrong.

it's not like anyone is surprised anymore. For fairness I'd assume so.

as already stated. Pawlicki can't now as he is on a 9. CVS already confirmed 2 team plans, one with Fred at 1 and one with Jacob at 1. Pawlicki can't now he is on a 9. He is, CVS confirmed that he is expected to be a 9.

Someone still seems a little blinded. Of course it affects Wolves equally. Aces have 2 over 8, Wolves have 2 over 8. Zagar could be tempted back to the NSS , likewise Pawlicki both under 8. So, how does that NOT affect Wolves??? CVS said last night that he has spoken to Pawlicki who may be interested in a return. There isn't a link other than what I posted from the talk in last night. As for apologising you forgot to mention that now you know CVS wasn't at the AGM and had nothing to do with the rules you got your accusations wrong?? (BTW Adams who WAS at the AGM had a fall over the weekend so wasn't at the talk in so presumably CVS had to fill in with news).

You said Manzares would also be at Wolves which has been confirmed as wrong.

The minutes of the AGM have yet to be finalised and the averages for all riders still have to be agreed. The 9 point GP rider rule that was mentioned by CVS last night appears to be what was agreed.

Don't get me wrong. I completely agree. It seems that the 1 over 8 rule has been made to benefit the weakest and in the process dumb down to their level. Such a shame when some clubs are able to bring quality to the league.

Exactly. Seems fair to me.

Fair point! However surely "GP standard as fits those riders who rode in the current season and next season qualification already assured (excludes those who rode as a wildcard, reserves Numbers 17 and 18 and having ridden 2 or less rounds)" is about as transparent as you can get ???

One rule is never gonna fit all, however it's better than having individual assessments that might benefit one club more than another. I don't see why they can't use their established averages abroad and combine them to give a realistic figure for here. If they can achieve those figures abroad they should easily be able to do the same here.

I think the assessment used of 7 last season is fair. Don't see a need to change that. Probably be what Woryna will be on too.

He would have to be, although it's an unfair description to label him GP standard.

Current 2017 or current 2018?

Unfortunately it's an ambiguous rule that will be applied to suit as per usual.

Anything for fairness and transparency.

Nothing to laugh at. It's a fair assessment. Thank god it isn't stupid like a 7 for The GP rider Lindback. That really was laughable.

that's how I read it too. I don't read it as ANY new or previous rider. I read it as heat leader or GP standard. Someone like Woryna won't be given a 9 but should also be reassessed in line with missing a season. But is GP standard so has to be included for transparency.

as is typical little transparency about the rules. I read the comment that 9 is for heat leaders and GP standard riders. Someone like Woryna will likely get a different reassessment. It would be a complete farce and bias if Poole are allowed to use him on 4.65. Hydred, you really need to get your facts right. 1. CVS wasn't at the AGM, Pete Adams was. 2. CVS isn't on the BSPA and wasn't involved in the rules for 2018. You need to push the blame somewhere else. Wolves are equally affected. Piotr is keen to come back to Wolves in 2018 but now can't on a 9 instead of 7.32. Please tell me how Aces are worse off than Wolves???

Doyle could go to Rye (who have investors who spend), Poole or Lynn. He has options still.

I see it as a cost cutting exercise ensuring that none of those riders could be signed even if they wanted to. The fact that some clubs aren't keen to sign the TV deal speaks volumes about how much money they expect to lose out on. Certainly not enough for the top boys. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Piotr a GP rider this very season. He is by right a GP standard rider.I can see Woryna being reassessed given that GP standards have been reassessed for missing a season. It's about time sense was seen for trying to gain an advantage on an out of date average. And before anyone accuses me of bias YES it would have been fair if they reassessed Tai in 2016. Anything that gives fairness and transparency can only be good for our sport.

Personally speaking I'd rather the set assessed or reassessed is 9 than the farcial 7 given out in 2016. Pawlicki is good enough to be in the GPs this year so it's only fair he too is assessed 9. We were all moaning that 7 was to low, now there's moaning it's too high!!!

I assume Zagar and Kildemand are a 9. Completely agree about the 2 Brit rule. Extremely short sighted. Doyle will be here in the UK this year unless he prices himself out. Next year is soooo next year!!! Anything can happen with the rules as you know!! Holder, like Lindren and Doyle rode here in 2017 so keep their averages which is perfect sense.

AGM stuff from Wolves talk in Monday night. AGM STUFF......... No TV deal in place. More discussions to take place. Seems clubs aren't happy with no money deal. Doyle is likely to be riding in the top flight (according to Pearson). Pete Adams was at AGM, not CVS. Neither agree with 1 rider over 8 rule or dropping of the 2 Brit rule. 9.00 averages for GP riders or riders out the UK for a season. Only one Tactical substitute ride per meeting, in line with Europe (since when as wasn't the case in 2017???) The minutes have yet to be checked and averages confirmed. No restriction on DU riders. The ISLB confirm that Poland should have priority on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. What happens on bank holiday Mondays is yet to be seen.

WOLVES WINTER TALK IN. Wolves news. .... Kyle Howarth confirmed 1st signing. Was in both team plans and agreed at the presentation night. Likely to be back with Sheffield and has signed a Polish 1st division deal with a team that has Greg and 19 other riders! Parry's confirmed as sponsors, now in its 18th season. 2 teams being considered for next year. One with Freddie, one with Jacob. Conversations are ongoing with Freddie which suggests he is 1st choice. However CVS added Jacob will probably have a quicker recovery from his injury. Pawlicki has been in contact with club and could be interested, however on a 9 is virtually a no no. Manzares, Bech and Hume - CVS has no interest. It's hoped Mondays will start regular then be every 2 weeks. no changes on admission prices. Nathan Greaves - is being considered if other clubs employ 2 pointers. If not then he won't be back. Sam - only riding top tier and abroad. 90 years of racing at Wolves in 2018. Some celebration planned not sure what yet. Doyle has texted CVS about a team place. He assumes he has sent one to every club. The future of Wolves??? - likely to be with shareholders (preffered) or a consortium. Could be happening soon be the sounds of it. AGM STUFF......... No TV deal in place. More discussions to take place. Seems clubs aren't happy with no money deal. Doyle is likely to be riding in the top flight (according to Pearson). Pete Adams was at AGM, not CVS. Neither agree with 1 rider over 8 rule or dropping of the 2 Brit rule. 9.00 averages for GP riders or riders out the UK for a season. Only one Tactical substitute ride per meeting, in line with Europe (since when as wasn't the case in 2017???) The minutes have yet to be checked and averages confirmed. No restriction on DU riders. The ISLB confirm that Poland should have priority on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. What happens on bank holiday Mondays is yet to be seen. I'm assuming as he rode here is 2017 average counts. Vaculik is still a good signing on 9. Doyle is looking for a British club.

wrong as per usual. Questioned was asked about Manzares and CVS Said he wasn't in team plans. All GP riders, including Tai, Piotr and Vaculik are assessed or reassessed as 9.