THE DEAN MACHINE

no but i was there.

was that buzz burrows ?

i would and have

With the european championship trying to lure away riders from the GP's i dont think the FIM is in a position to start dishing out bans to riders in the GP's

maybe im not just a fan ,maybe im a mechanic for a rider ,maybe im an engine tuner or a rider ,maybe i work for the FIM or the ACU or even the SCB ,maybe im a referee ? maybe im non of those and just a fan who sits in his armchair and digs his hole but i do know what im talking about and i dont have to quote any names to make my point

oh what its like to be perfect. Could you spare us some of your wisdom and tell us who are these "fans" who have little or no understanding of whats involved are?

the damage to zagar's bike is because how the modern bike reacts rather than the contact from nicki bike .they scream their nuts off (look at zagars hand in pic 2 the throttle is wide open)and as soon as they get out of control they fire like a bullet. I dont see the riders calling for revs to be cut do you?. I do agree nicki should of been excluded and his lack of care afterwards was not good but the incident is the same move we see many times on every big track and if it was anybody else we wouldnt be talking about it

ok if so dangerous ban him from next gp and dont forget to ban bomber in his move on lindgren and ward for his move on batchelor because they were the same move

you and your "mates" are exactly the reason why there shouldnt be a red card system in speedway. You judge nicki on reputation and already have him guilty before he has his bike out the van.

but thats the point pedersen dosent slam into him .when pedersen dives and they meet there is no contact. They travel together to the middle of the corner and then there is contact. Zagar does nothing wrong but when pedersen comes along side him he could of backed off and cut back like batch did with ward but its a gp and not many back off. Pedersen was rightly excluded it was a hard move not a dangerous one. Anybody else and nothing would of been said but everybody jumping on anti pedersen bandwagen instead of seeing it for the incident it was. This type of move happens on most big wide tracks every week by most riders. I am not a fan of pedersen by any means and some of the things he does are ruthless/dangerous but not saturdays.

it depwnds on how the rider on the outside reacts to it. In heat 18 on saturday ward does the same move on batch but batch dosent try to clamp him and lets him by and then cut back but it is the same move and have a look how far ward has to go across the white line to pass batch then look how pedersen dosent go across white line .so who had the most room for their dive?.

[quote name="Drop a cog" post="2466976" timestamp="1402940582" If any of the armchair 'experts' can find a bona fide expert to publicly defend the knob then their point of view might hold some water but in the meantime I'm with the majority who realise riding a speedway bike like perdesen will cause accidents. sorry didnt know you were a renound speedway legend. Its hard to tell when you hide behind a avtar. Had i known i would never or questioned your wisdom in such maters from my armchair .see what i did there ,i used sarcasm to make my point

it is pedersens fault 100% but he dosent slam into him ,when they meet going into corner (the point where pedersen is carrying more speed and would slam into him)they dont touch, its in the middle of corner that they touch some 30ft difference

The spat on twiter between tai and nicki this morning BSI couldn't buy this sort of publicity

darcy does the same move in his last ride only difference is the rider on outside dosent try to drop it on him. His lack of concern is selfish but thats nicki. I watched it back this morning and when he dives in going into corner and they meet there is no contact and thats the point at surely the dive is dangerous .its not till they reach the middle of the corner when there is contact .i said it was about 8ft but watching it at real speed its more like 30ft. To me at that point the move is unfortunate rather than dangerous. I liked my own post by accident but the misses always said i liked my own voice

im not bothered about zagar's reaction or pedersen kick him that was all just handbags. But his move was no different to what many others have done before. .nicki has just knocked emil off in poland and before anybody comes on here saying "i supose he is the innocent party again" no he was rightly excluded as he was last night

yes at least i do take the time to question and enter a debate unlike some .i do have a tiny bit of speedway knowledge but im always willing to learn .you obviously dont agree with my view and thats cool and you do sarcasm very well

The nicki pedersen haters will jump on every move he makes and its understandable but the fact is he is all everybody is talking about and is doing more for speedways audience than any advertising will achieve. If i rode in the GP i would be moaning about him too but if i was BSI or Eurosport i would be loving it

no he didnt

pedersen is trying to get off the bike after they have touched because the rear of pedersens bike (heat shield /silencer) is hooked on zagar's left footrest chaingaurd and nobody fell in harris lindgren incident because lindgren dosent try to lean on harris or close him down. Harris dive up inside is the same move a pedersen's. If im wrong then i bow to your obviously far better intelligence

Just seen photo .that picture is after bike contact and nicki's foot is up because he is already on his way off the bike (balance lost) .it is not a kick and to think that is ridiculous

yet nobody complains about woofy jumping at the start 4times which he admited later ,nobody complains about some other "ruthless" moves that were made .could it be that those 3 have it in for pedersen because they feel they have been hard done to in previous gp's.

must be but i judge incident on the incident itself and not someones reputation of which everyone is doing because nicki is the devil .

It was exactly the same move as Chris Harris made on freddie Lindgren for 3rd place .dont here any riders complaining about that move

he didnt hit him when he dived in but after they had traveled about 8ft there was a slight contact. .thats what i trying to say, the impact of zagar's bike into the fence makes the crash look worse than it is.