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Oh my word i love this post. Starman never got bullied by anyone. The mans an idiot and got called out on that quite rightly by many different people on many different occasions. Have a look over Starmans posts a bit closer. People told him he was a fool. He responded many many times with verbal attacks calling people clowns and fools and telling me personally to play with the traffic. About time he left and let the adults chat

My ten based purely on who i have seen ride. Carter Lee Jessup Morton Peter Collins Tatum Loram Havelock Woffinden and for entertainment Screen

In what way? Character? Yes Longtrack? Yes Grasstrack? Maybe But for racing Tatum was the better rider. Both won 2 British Crowns But Tatum won 4 Commenwealth titles to Wiggs 1 Tatum also won a Inter Continental title and Wigg didnt. Both stood on the rostrum in the World Final and arguably Tatum should have again in 1989. Wigg the most flamboyant by a mile bu the better speedway rider was Kelvin Tatum People confuse excitement with skill. Stephen Hendry boring as hell but a much better player than Jimmy White And lets not forget Wiggs dark side and the way he dragged the sport through the gutter at times

3 top class number ones in Doyle , Holder and Lindgren shows how the league is weaker but that doesnt mean you get poor racing. Look at some of the rides Joe Jacobs used to produce at the NSS last season.

Best 1. Mark Loram winning the World title. After my uncle sponsoring him as a 14 year old to see him become World Champion was unreal. My aunty died in Feb 2000 so never got to see her 'Marky' win the crown. We still have his race bib from the 1997 final and 'that' run off 2. 1994 Commenwealth Final and Mark winning his first 'big' meeting. Can remember it came down to heat 20 with Screeny and Adams in the race. 3. Tied with my first (and Marks) British Final in 1990. Great racing and standing near the Havelock fans who screamed the place down as he won heat 16 only to then go to despair in the very next race. Mark winning heat 19 from Simon Cross to ensure qualifying. And then Marks first meeting as reserve in the top league for Kings Lynn v Reading in 1990. Mark was beaten only once by an opposition rider.........a reserve.........Todd Wiltshire who ended the season as World Number 3 Worst 1. I too was there that night when Paul Muchene crashed. He slid off and Nick Floyd could not avoid him. We used to stand near the pits wall at Hackney and we knew Dave Steen and he came over and told us that it was very serious. 2. The day Mick Poole deliberatly knocked Mark off and he broke his shoulder. Dirty not hard riding 3. At a league meeting at Ipswich versus Edinburgh i think in 1990. Brett Saunders ending up in a heap at the edge of the concrete and later on Frede Schott coming off down the back straight and tumbling along and his helmet just flying off. One of those meetings that had crash after crash. Tied with the night Sam Simota put Mark through the fence and ended his career

Not a weak top 3 but not as good as Lynn, not as good as Wolves but possibly best of the rest. You have 2 of the most inconsistent riders in KK and Hans and then an ok third heat leader. As ive said the second strings, whichever 2 they are will be strong Nathan Greaves isnt very good i agree and maybe Shanes could do better. I would expect Zach to average more than Shanes. I watched Shanes 3 times last season and he is yards behind going into the first bend. As ive said he is great to watch as he is all action and likes to wind it on out in the dirt but he simply leaves himself so much to do. He will struggle to get around some tracks but will no doubt thrive on Belle Vues wide open spaces and being a top grasstracker he should have no problems at Poole. He will never in a million years average what Bates or Ayres do. He will struggle to get what Zach does and could maybe do better than Bailey

James Shanes although a trier and entertainer is a poor gater and in my opinion is the weakest number 7 in the league. Bates and Ayres are certainly better. So to are Zach and Greaves. I would say Perks, Graversen and Bailey are better to but not by much. As for him beating the odd number 6 no chance apart maybe from Grondal, the others are ahead of him. Lebedevs , Huchenbeck and Sarjeant are very good number 6's That said i hope the lad does well i agree. The other reserves are better in my opinion I think the opposite. Poole have a weakish top 3 but their second strings look the best in the league to me

Kings Lynn Wolves Rye House Poole Belle Vue Leicester Coventry Swindon Somerset

easily the best team?? The heat leader trio isn't as strong as Wolves or Kings Lynn. Granted the second strings look ok but at teserves big question marks as well. Poole look strong but not easily the best not by a long shot

how dare you look at the Poole team that way!!! I've said the same thing. 4 riders that you never know if they score 10 or 5 in Hans, KK, Klindt and Kurtz. Jack Holder may need time and Newman is solid enough. I agree that Lynn Rye and Wolves look good solid sides

yes by around 2 points

Maybe its a little dig at Ford for letting Holder go True. But Middlo has messed up so many times on social media that i dont think Ford can be telling him

Its not mind games.........lets face it , it wouldnt take much to outwit Middlo. Someone needs to have a quiet word in his ear and stop him from going on social media.

i know for a fact that the top brit in the world Tai Woffinden was on a very good deal last season.Masters is a better rider than Lawson so why wouldn't he be used ahead of him???? The one that annoys people is things like Adam Ellis moved on to have a young Aussie who so far hasn't shown he is better than Ellis. Comparing Masters and Lawson is like asking Poole fans if they preferred Holder or Chris Harris???

troll One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

I dont. Shovlar is a troll as a definition of one is someone who purely posts to wind others up a la Robert72. Huge difference between a troll and a fool. i dont believe for one second Shovlar is a fool unlike the other chap in the thread title (not me lol) I hav some great debates on here with many Poole fans ..........its just the odd couple that annoy me Erm nope. Im argumentative i give you that. Call me names i dont have an issue (unless its against my family). But hell do not tar me with the same intellect as Starman..........thats cruelty beyond the pale and i will have to report you

Really?? Or do all riders never want to leave Poole. I remember Poole fans saying that Holder or Ward would never ride anywhere else! Riders will go where they can to ride speedway simple as. Even if Poole could fit him in whose to say they would and whose to say he would ride there? Poole could fit Holder in this season but chose not to

Missing the point entirely. even if they were both number 1 in the their teams if KK scored 13 and Cook only 9, those 4 points can be made up by better team building lower down so in that sense yes you would have Cook every time. As for who is the better rider its clearly KK but from the start of all this that was never the question. You clearly stated on the Belle Vue thread that me and Stevebrum said that Cook was the better rider............we never did..............you showed that your simply a liar to try and prove a point Wasting your time mate...........he made stuff up as usual and tries to lead things in a different direction. Ive askd him before who is the better rider.......Holder or KK? He hasnt answered as quite clearly Holder is the better rider yet Poole fans want KK and prefer him.............same reasoning as why people would prefer Cook over KK............strange why he thinks its fine for people to prefer KK over Holder but not Cook over KK......................hypocrite springs to mind.........blue blindness as always

Mark had left Ipswich by then. Louis , Norris and Dean Standing plus Moggo were the main riders

Dont start that up again lol. I for one hope Kyle Newman kicks on as he rides for us now. Fact is he has been at the same level for a number of seasons so why would this season be any different.........though he did beat Tai last year lol. As i said nothing against the lad but he needs to step up and him Auty and Howarth all much of a muchness

Wow and then a thread starts up which completely misses the whole point!! NOBODY HAS SAID THAT COOK IS BETTER THAN KASPRZAK!!!! I hope thats clear because im totally confused as to why there is a thread on this. The discussion was wether the Poole top 3 (KK, Hans, Kurtz) was miles better as Shovlar said than a proposed Belle Vue top 3. (Cook, Fricke, Steve Worrall). The discussion was that on averages there was .70 between KK and Cook and that for team building purposes Belle Vue are not losing out to much by having Cook. Poole let a better rider than Kasprzak go in Holder but that seems to have been missed. So just for those who have totally missed the point:..................Kasprzak v Cook was never the question Is there a more pointless thread on the forum that isnt even relevant!!

did i say that?? Was merely quoting a line from a rider. Mark Loram rode down there and enjoyed his time there saying that although the track was awful , many riders bottled it before they even came to the tapes

The discussion isnt about preferring Cook over KK and for whatever reason Shovlar decides to blatantly lie on his posts. Told me and Stevbrum we think that Cook is better than KK. Nobody said that yet he feels the need to post it. KK is the better rider but for team building you may want Cook. Shovlar has been most vocal about how KK is better for Poole than Holder due to the averages, so why is it any different if Belle Vue fans want Cook? The man has been made to look what he is a troll and a liar

yes it was the point being made!!!! Nobody anywhere was saying Cook is better than KK!!! You are the only person trying to make it into that!!! People may prefer Cook in their team as they know what the will get and you don't always with KK. You have been made to look foolish and made things up and now can't get out of it your banging your head against a brick wall!! Nobody has said Cook is the better rider so I've no idea where Shovlar gets that. Guess he loves trolling

so who is the better rider Holder or KK?? Holder is the better rider yet you prefer KK it's not hard to get reallyTry firstly to read what people write then secondly try to understand it!!!!