Gavan

Billy Hamill 1996 Mark Loram 2000 Chris Holder 2012 predictable world champions........no world class...................yes the gp will have the cream of the crop this year i defy you to pick a winner! the one offs when i was growing up were either Nielsen or Gundersen before that Mauger and Olsen and yes the gp had Rickardsson if you want a one off world final on maybe a slick track in Denmark and see an engine failure or a fall from a Holder or Ward and Pavlic have a blinder then be my guest. you talk about 1973 imagine watching Szczkiel after the final and someone going for the first time at another meeting "isnt that the world champion?" "yes" "then why is he always at the back" "because he got in the final via an eastern block ruling had one good night and is the best in the world" "well if the world champion is that bad im not coming again" And whoever said Iversen was the best in the world this year....................seriously!!!!!!!!!!!! He had a good year but could he have been world champion no!

You think Nicki was better than Holder last year? i doubt anyone would agree. why do you twist what i say? the gp over a 10 round system will find the best rider over the season in 99% of times. a one off world final had people miss out mainly through no fault of their own and the winner could be concluded as the best rider that month rather than over the season. a ranking system would be a load of tosh thats not what im saying. why do you not think that the best rider shouldnt be champion? lets have a one off world final on a slick trick in Poland and watch Walasek make 4 good gates and win

Who doesnt want the best rider to end up champion? isnt that what its all about? what i am talking about is having as near to possible the best riders in the world in there rather than 7 or 8 riders in most seasons that couldnt win the world title. I have said the gp was flawed when we had the 24 rider 2 races and out system but now its fair i think. In my opinion you get the best rider as world champion. These are riders in the one off world final that were not the best rider in the world that year: 65 Knutsson 73 Szczakiel 74 Michenek 83 Muller 92 Havelock In the gp i think the only year when the best rider didnt win was 2000 when Mark Loram won it. Tony Rickardsson was the best rider that year but in Round 2 in the final Mark knocked him off and Tony was excluded and in Round 5 a last place meant he had to be in the first 2 in the next 2 races only to be knocked off by Stefan Danno and not making the semis. And im honest here as you wont find a bigger Mark Loram fan then me.

I understand its about opinions but i cant see how anyone could prefer a qualifying system to the way its done now. Imagine this scenario. Gollob misses the Polish qualifiers through injury so through go Pepe Hampel and Walasek. Meanwhile Ward/Holder have mechanical nightmares at the Commenwealth final so one of them fails to make it. Nicki Pedersen also injured misses the danish rounds and Bjarne or Hans sneak through At the semi finals Lindback and Emil both suffer from a fall and ef so they dont get through. The world final would be poor and yes its extreme but something along those lines could happen. Most years those who finish 9th and 10th go back in anyway and i can see the majority of this years line up being in again next year with maybe MJJ or Laguta. If you would rather have qualifiers and see Dryml, Madsen, Batchelor next year rather than Hampel Vaculik and Ward tehn i think you need your head tested

its back to the one off versus gp series argument. all i wanted to say was this year we have (except tai,sorry) the best 14 riders around surely. all are capable of winning a gp i think and ive not seen that before. all qualifiers do is make sure we dont have the best as along thet way someone will fail either through injury or engine failure and that cant be right. i also read that the gp series was won by 2 40 year olds recently!! what a joke statement that is!! if you are the best in the world does it matter if you are 22 or 42. we should have stopped herbie and gollob riding at 40 because they were to good!! the only time the gp wasnt better was with 24 riders and the likes of Ulamek Brhel Ferjan (rip) and bless him old smudger. riders who couldnt win or get close and we didnt need 24 riders and the ridiculous 2 rides and your out system. sorry the one off world final doesnt come close to this years gp series. i would be interested to know who people will think will be top 8 and i reckon most people will have 4 maybe 5 the same thats it

no white knight what i want is as close as possible to the 15 best riders in the world in the series is that hard to understand? the one off world final was more dramatic but an injury or engine failure could rob you. Look at Jan O Pedersen he missed 2 finals with injury! can you say that we had the worlds best last year? surely Ward, Vaculik, Iversen, Kasprzak, Zagar are better than Hans, Bjarne and Ljung? its got nothing to do with favourites or would you prefer to see Walasek, Pepe, and the like? i know what i would rather see. This way we get the top 8 from the last season, then if they dont qualify for whatever reason we get the next best (i.e Ward and Hampel) followed by 3 guys who deserve it by qualifying (Iversen and the like) it should be a great season in my opinion. as i said earlier pick your top 8 not that easy is it!!

put everyone through qualifiers? dont agree with that sorry. yes it used to be like that i know but we had a lot of dead wood in most finals as the eastern block got their quota. also an injury or an engine failure could rob us of the best riders. nope sorry im all for the top 8 qualifying, and riders like Hampel deserve their place after injury. 4 wildcards and a qualifying system is fine and has insured that we have a great line up this year. who would want a qualifying system where say Holder picks up an injury and Emil has 2 engine failures and Ward has an off night and so on and so on. Would love a system where we could get Protasiewicz and Bjarne and Walasek back in the grand prix!!

i cant really agree next year is uninspiring i really think its a great line up. old faces? well Hancock and Nicki and Gollob are there but they deserve to be and would you bank on any of them not challenging next year? to me the deadwood of Hans, Bjarne, Harris, Ljung and even Bjerre have gone, and with the exception of Ljung these guys best days in gps are behind them. i feel we have a great series to look forward to. If you had of asked anyone to pick the top 8 last year it was fairly straightforward with maybe Lindback the only surprise. So people name your top 8 and i reckon there will be at least 12 different riders named (not woffy) its all about opinions speedy but if we take out Hancock , Gollob , Nicki and say AJ then who should be in and would they really have a chance of being a contender?

Troy Butler won the NLRC the year before in 1988! And with due respect to Troy was hardly world class! Also 4 brits? How times have changed

If you win a gp are you world class? Gollob won the first gp of 95 so i think he was world class though he did drop out the top 8 i believe losing to Henka in a run off at Hackney (sorry will always be hackney not london staduim to me!). Took Leigh Adams an age to win a gp same as AJ so are they not world class. Loram was world class in 95 look how he destroyed the semi final in 94 and i believe he finished world number 6 or 7 in 95? Its a good point Lucifer Sam and on achievement maybe 95/96 is better but this year does have potential

as i stated i believe that Iversen and Zager could make that step up. At the start of this season who would have said that Lindback or Vaculik or MJJ could win a GP? I apologise and hope im wrong but Tai isnt good enough. My top 8 Holder Ward, Nicki Emil Lindback Vaculik Gollob Greg/Lindgren/AJ/Hampel

Is next season the best ever GP line up? In my opinion we have 12 or 13 riders all capable of winning a GP in there. The exceptions are possibly Iversen and Zagar though they are maybe more than capable and basically Tai has no chance. If you look back at this year then Bjarne, Hans, Ljung, Harris were never likely to make semis let alone win one. What do people think?

MJJ will need to not choke like he did in this years challenge 00000 for a rider of his potential looks like a novice at times

Not anywhere near Jensens class but Savalas Clouting was similar. At Ipswich he would either fly out and win the reserves race by a mile and then wobble around at the back in every other ride, or would wobble in the reserves race and then beat a heat leader next time. Would usually score 3 a meeting with his scores either 3,0,0,0 or 0,0,3,0

Dont see why people find fault with the gp system! yes a one off world final was dramatic but you had a couple of 'lucky winners'. the gp system determines and rewards consistency. Under the old one off we could have had Bjerre, MJJ, Vaculik or Lindback as champion on one night only! Mark Loram wasnt the best rider in 2000 Rickardsson was granted but over the 6 rounds he got the most points end of story.

Some morons on here need to start backing Tai. Its not his fault he has been offered a place is it!! For the record he will be bottom and not a cat in hells chance of winning a gp. Wouldnt expect him to score over 8 in any meeting any takers? lol

TNT i dont think Tai can win a GP but its all about opinion and if he is in the field i will support him. He could be as good as as Vaculik but think Vaculik will get better and Tai isnt as good as the others you mention

In my opinion (and i hope i am wrong) Woffinden would be the only rider in the gp series that is not capable of winning a gp (maybe Iversen?) MJJ has proved he is capable of doing that though i would be surprised if MJJ would be consistent enough to make the top 8. Someone on here said Tai could make the top 8? never in a million years will he be in the top 8 and again i hope im wrong but in my mind he will be bottom of the 15 regulars

Tai does not deserve a place any speedway fan realises this but a brit will be in is all politics. In my mind Bjerre deserves more than tai. finished in the top 8 3 seasons on the bounce has won a gp and injury stopped him doing anything this year ( tho was struggling admittedly) This is not a dig at Tai but if the 15 is who we believe then Woffinden is the only rider in there that i cant see winning a Gp next year. Agree/Disagree?

dont think ackroyd bottled it he just made the wrong decision this time as refs do in football

foreverblue correct vidic should have been sent off = wrong decision holder wasnt excluded wrong decision. i dont mind holder being champ its someone new and he is the best rider this year and on that reason he deserves it. i also dont agree with the people who say it is a tainted title because it isnt tainted at all the best rider won. but please dont be so blinkered to think he wasnt lucky in the semi. first bend bunching doesnt exist so get away from that. was it an unsatisfactory start? pedersen was in front and got hit and fell off because he was hit. holder should have gone i cant see why people dont see this. anyway well done to holder the only way the title is tainted is beacuse of the idiots that were surrounding him amongst his crew, they let him down big time. pedersen was having a little wind up chat and to be fair holder was not paying to much attention then his twit of a brother gets involved!! aussie mentality lol

3 months ago i said that the 4 would be Hampel , Ward , Vaculik , and Tai and nothing would change my mind now. as i also said THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A BRIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it looks like a very strong series next year with the deadwood has beens of Bjarne, Hans and Harris going and also an out of depth Ljung. Next year there are 14 riders all capable of winning a gp round....and Woffinden

i dont really like either rider but the facts are this: 1. Pedersen made the start 2. He tried to clamp Holder (as he was in front so quite allowed) 3. Holder didnt shut off (to be fair he shouldnt) 4. Holder had 1 wheel over the kerb (perfectly allowed) 5. Holder by having a wheel over either hit a rut or picked up drive 6. Holder ran into Nicki due to the drive he got (not Holders fault) 7. Nicki then fell off because he was hit by Holder. Im not saying Holder meant to do what he did but that is irrelevent. He was the reason the race was stopped. As i said if this was turn 1 of lap 3 and Holder did the same he would have been excluded. The ref wanting to decide the title on the track is a total cop out and wrong. Lets say last gam of the premier league Man Utd v Man City and they are level on points. In the 10th minute Vidic commits a professional foul and should be sent off but the league should be decided on the pitch so the ref lets him stay on!!! The correct decision should always happen whatever time of the meeting or championship its at. Holder should have been excluded his crew a disgrace to him. For what its worth i think he would still have won the title as dont think Nicki would have beaten Gollob or Lindback. and before any jumped up poole idiots moan its not Poole bashing just a wrong decision

stop the argument of Holder hit a rut, it doesnt matter. first bend bunching is all 4 back. The reason Pedersen came off is because of Holder end of discussion. yes he hit a rut and it sent him into Nicki, so if that happened on lap 3 who would have gone? its not hard!!

Proved to be the best rider over the 12 rounds but boy oh boy he was lucky tonight. the ref bottled the semi final decision. if that had been any other semi in any other round he would have been excluded thats a certainty