Steve Shovlar

PL averages would only apply to EDR riders. The others have official EL averages.

So does all this mean there won't be many Continentals riding EL in 2017?

I believe naivety of the majority of brexit voters will come back to bite them very hard on the arse.

Better get back to topic.

Lol! We are used to being at the top of the league, not battling for the wooden spoon.

But this has very little to do with how things will end up for Joe Public. The ftse top 100 is made up of companies who are benefitting from the weak pound. A clearer indication is the ftse top 250 which is made up of more British based companies, who are struggling with the very poor exchange rates.

And its just been announced on the 6 o'clock bbc news that petrol prices are about to rise by 5p a litre imminently. Directly caused by the brexit vote.

There is no winner out of the vote. Half the country who voted to stay have been led up the creek by the just overhalf who wanted out. So what are we to gain by severing our links with our main trading partners? Nothing but hardship Imo. The pound is already suffering the consequences of the vote and is expected to dive even further in the coming months and years. This will mean massive rises in fuel prices which will affect everyone. So far we have been lucky in that oil prices have been low but as the pound falls fuel will rise as its paid for in Dollars. I hope we dont hear moans from the brexit brigade as petrol prices go through the roof. As for trade, well the brexit mob say we can deal with the world. Sure we can, except the trade agreements are tariff laden. The EU will not under any circumstances allow us to trade with them on an equal footing unless we agree to their demands. So keeping our borders wide open. So isn't that one of the main reasons why people voted brexit? What do they want? Closed borders and visas to enter the UK, or an even playing field with the rest of Europe. It has been stated we will get our way as the Germans will still want to sell their cars here. I don't believe that for a minute. There is no way the eu will allow us to trade freely with europe without tarrifs. Otherwise what is the point of the eu? They will want to make an example out of the uk so other countries don't have the same thoughts. As for immigration. The horse has already bolted. And closed borders mean no trade deals. We wont be dealing the cards and the card holder has them stacked in their favour. I believe the brexit vote will have catastrophic consequences for the citizens of the UK. All doom and gloom? Yep.

Not many of these migrants have ventured down our way. I do hear the occasional Polish voice at car boot but thats about it.

My post was meant tongue in cheek to another post who said Newman and Ellis average should be left as it finished this year. People on here trying to find a way of penalising Poole by trying to get our reserves averages up. But Newman already has a proper PL average to use. If the conversion is 0.6 then its 3.79. There's no argument there. Its a genuine average to be used. All clubs can use the same format. Ellis situation become more tricky. Not riding in the PL means he has no average to use. Coming in on a NL average of 3 is low as he is a better rider than that. 4 points sounds about right and fair, meaning he would have averaged about 8 PL. Clearly we cannot use their EL averages as they are wrecked with the heat format used.

Sure. Keep their EL averages. And before the first set of gs averages come out next season we replace Newman with Dudek and Ellis with vaculik. That would work! Of course they will have to use converted PL averages. Its the only accurate way of assesing these riders. Their EL averages are wrecked through riding against other edr riders.

Take for example my club Poole. If something along those lines was brought in, it would be a disaster. Poole are an EL club and most, (not all) of the fans want to watch the best speedway this country can offer. They would turn up for the EL meetings, but I would suggest the attendances for a lower quality PL fixture would be dire. Matt Ford tried to run a NL team but not enough fans came through the gate to support it. Same would happen here. As for a 7 home 7 away season, well how the hell are a promotion meant to make money on 7 fixtures plus the chance of a couple of extra playoff mettings? And as for the often touted but ridiculous suggestions of a north and south league, we ain't the USA or Australia. We are a small country where you can drive to Glasgow and back from Poole in a day if you wished. We need more EL meetings, not less. Increase the top flight to 12 teams, play each other home and away twice and we have a decent league. And don't even consider 6 man teams. Introduce squads for teams that want to go down that route. Riders would have to be graded as averages will fluctuate. Might not be two months but 7 meetings is less than two months WORTH of meetings.

Well I for one don't use facebook and as for Poland a younger demographic watches the sport there so more than likely uses facebook. Not an accurate way of judging to be honest.

Jack Holders average is 7.16 in the PL, so his EL average is 3.57 if the conversion is 50%. With Ellis not having a PL average, he should come in on a starting 3.00, so will be at reserve with Newman with Jack Holder starting at a second string.

Yes this is exactly what I am talking about. Promoter. 'Same deal as last year Igor'? Igor. 'No chance boss. Pound is 20% lower than last season. I want a 30% pay rise to cover the shortfall and what is likely happen in the next few months'. Promoter. 'Bloody brexiteers'!

Those are the rules. His PL average doesn't lie.

Hi PL average is 6.31, meaning he should come in on 3.16. Doubt we will have two riders on a lower average so Kyle will be one of our reserves. Newman will be a reserve. Rather have Ellis any day over Starke. Jack Holder would start as a second string. 1 C Holder 2 J Holder 3. Andersen 4. Kurtz 5. Milik 6. Ellis 7. Newman

You are not the only one biting their lip. I could explode with rage at the future carnage and devastation this country will face in the next few years, because of one of the main viewpoints of keeping the migrants from the EU out of the UK. And the farcical thing is, we cant. Our main trading partners are the EU and they have us over a barrel. We are all going to suffer badly. Still as you say, we can discuss such disasters on the general chat section.

How do you work that out? Leicester are finished imo and dont pay their riders. They can't even finish this season.

Sounds like Matt gave him his marching orders after his inept performance at Monmore. Some said they thought he was nailed on for Poole 2017 and he replied, "I wish. Have to pull my finger out for that to happen".

You are completely missing the point of the original message. This has nothing to do with riders not being able to ride here because of brexit and immigration. It has everything to do with the huge drop in the value of the pound to the euro.

Hardly silly season. Its a fact. The night before the brexit result the pound = $1.49. Fridays close was $1.29. A massive drop . At the same time the pound bought 1.31 the night before brexit, and Fridays close was 1.11. And you can't get 1.11 from the post office. More like 1.08.

I heard last week it was Ellis and Newman. When it was said Holder was there I was somewhat suprised.

Nothing wrong with it if that's what you like to watch. Personally I like to watch a higher class of racing and the GPs.

Thats ok if you want to watch NL or perhaps PL speedway. Most EL fans want to see the best, not young wobblers.