Steve Shovlar

I said I think He will never be world champion. Of course he is a good rider and the opposition tonight was certainly not GP standard. A top 8 GP rider, but not WC.

I could see exactly where she was coming from. Unlike league meetings where it would have been all four back, fim referees look for a reason for the stoppage and if they decided a rider caused the stoppage he is out. Zmarzlik was not subtle. He turned right and thrust out an elbow. Even smashy and nicey on tv were wondering along those lines before the light came on. I thought the ref was brave to exclude Zmarzlik but it wasn't a wrong call or bad call. Just her interpretation of what she saw. Poland were never going to lose tonight regardless of this talking point.

So someone with a different opinion on here is now a fool?

That would have been the usual call but it looked to me that there was intent there from Zmarzlik. No harm done though.

Disagree. Thought the ref was excellent. Zmarzlik turned right then gave Iversen and big elbow, causing Iversen to crash. Zmarzlik cause of the race stoppage. A brave call but the correct one. Certainly a talking point.

Ref was excellent there. Clear the cause of the stoppage was zmarzlik. He knew what he was doing and Iversen was sent sprawling. Poland will still go through. Edit. And they just have. Quite enjoyable meeting in the end.

Well Emil did sweet fa in his second. Poland through, Denmark second, Russia third. Track is slick and not enough lines to pass at the mo.

Ellis was riding with a broken collarbone in the World u21's at Lynn. Bates had home track advantage at Sheffield and only won, fairly it must be said, because Ellis had gated and was blocking the outside run of Lambert alowing Bates to go up the inside. Doubt there would be a late change of mind. That would make Rosco look weak and indecisive. As has been said, Ellis broke his collarbone a couple of weeks before Lynn and really should not have ridden. So if they are not allowed to practice in the seven days leading up to the event, what is the point of having a nss which is not being used? The squad should have been up there doing hundreds of laps by now. As has been said, Ellis was carrying a broken collar bone. Ellis saw off Bates at Brandon last week and beat him easily on Wednesday. Ellis the right man if called upon. Think that's a given but as long as we are not tailed off last we can't expect more. Come on Team GB we can do what the Danes did a few years ago...........

I don't think there's any doubt, though I would love to be proved wrong. Will we then get page upon page demanding Rosco's head like the wolf pack went after Middlo?

Kennett is showing far better form than Cook but I guess Cook has done many more laps around this track. Lets just hope its not humiliating and hope we don't finish well adrift in 4th. I will be there cheering on GB regardless of the result. Thought the idea was to pick the best, and Ellis is head and shoulders better than Bates. One could also make the argument that S Worrall could have been picked above Cook, who has been pretty poor this year.

Missed Garrity? What has he done other than cause the Coventry team to be completely unbalanced?

Unbelievable. Havelock gave four rides to Bates AND Sargeant. Woryna should have had two more rides. Bet all those Belle Vue fans are laughing all the way home. Lol. Havvy should be sacked for complete ineptitude.

But how can you say there was a shortfall in the team build and blame Woryna? Whi not say they had 2.5 more points to play with so why sign Garrity when they could have signed a much higher rider? Anyway I believe the point I made earlier today about Woryna was totally correct as he is banging in a big score.

So you think Gavan was ok posting that disgusting comment? It was the worst type of bullying and undefendable. He should have been banned for good.

Absolutely they are and I have no problem with anyones view that's different to mine. But there's no need for abusive posts. I read some of the crap on the woofy thread and it was a bad case of bullying and in the end Gavan was rightly suspended. Certainly Robert72 doesn't know how to leave it but attacking posters in such a way is unacceptable.

Really no need for language like this.

The sec is a meaningless set of meetings set up to de-stable the GP series. It is meaningless as the very top riders do not participate. Good for TV but unimportant. You and others on here seem to think I don't think Sufadinov is very good. But I have already said if he was back in the GP series he could finish top eight, which means he is very good indeed. If he had remained in the GP series and learnt I would say he could have been challenging, but sorry not now. Time has moved on and he has wasted his career winning meaningless sec events as Woffinden and Hancock have cleaned up where it matters. Just my opinion and not everyones I know. Guess we will find out in the next few years if Emil makes an effort to do the qualifiers.

I see this disgusting obnoxious troll has been allowed back to play after serving a ban for a foul and abusive bullying attack on another forum member. He should have been banned permanently for such disgraceful abuse. Put money on it Woryna has a bigger career of the two. Just seems to have far more track craft. You forget its his first year and he hasn't seen these tracks before. Bates knows all the tracks. He has ridden Poole on numerous occassions. If he gates he can be quick. A bit like Daniel Davidsson. But clueless from the back. Agree with that. Garrity is the reason why Coventry gave failed so miserably. He bullied Horton into giving him a top five berth. Madness. you answered your own question. Woryna us doing well in Poland as he knows the tracks. The same as Bates here. Take Bates out to Poland and listen to the Poles screaming about this "useless Brit". Its exactly the same. Woryna doesn't know the tracks yet. He was giving his all chasing the Poole riders attempting some Kamakazi dives to no avail, while Bates and Barker were tailed off poodling.

Well if the riders know, then so should we. Come on Rosco lets know the team.

It certainly didn't show on Wednesday. Bates and Barker were drueadful. Bates didn't seem injured just up against better riders. Barker only scored because of KK Continually blocking Ellis's runs around them. Woryna is not the problem. He has big potential ad proved on the continent. Would be happy to see him head south in 2017 if he is dumped by Coventry. Good rider in the making.

So have this squad of ten spent the last two weeks up in Manchester practicing on the NSS track? Thats what the Poles would have done on their own track to make sure they are dialled in. Havent heard any of the Belle Vue fans on here mentioning the roar of bikes on any afternoon. Whats going on here?

Oh I get it. You are a big Emil fan and my comments on him have hurt your feelings, so you diss me by calling me a speedway no nothing. Its now become clear. I hate to tell you this but my knowledge of the sport is quite deep and wide reaching, having followed it since 73. I am no Rob Peasley with different coloured pens filling in my program( sorry Rob!) but my memory is very good for the many hundreds of meetings I have attended. It seems I have hit a nerve with you because I don't think Emil is going to be World Champion. Now I know by saying that the odds are stacked in my favour, but the truth is younger, and perhaps better riders are now coming through. And if Ward was still with us racing Emil would not have got a sniff. Thats just my opinion. I believe the boat has sailed on his chances. He would have to qualify which would not be easy, meaning the earliest he would be in it would be 2018. Don't get me wrong I do think he is an good rider and would finish top 8. But never World Champion.

If you think Bates should be picked over Ellis you have a lack of Speedway knowledge. Harsh but true. Without wearing any Poole blinkers Ellis is a far superior rider who likes big tracks and can pass. Poole have yet to visit Belle Vue due to the BV management scared of re-arranging the A fixture for fear of being turned over, so Ellis has not yet had a chance to ride the track, but you can be sure he will take to the wide open spaces and I am sure he will get the nod over Bates, who has done ok this season and should be allowed in the pits to watch and learn. Ellis at the moment is a much more complete rider. Not that it will matter much anyway, because he won't get a ride bar an injury. I will be there cheering England on (this teamgb thing is so 1990 and theres no scots or welsh in it anyway) but I think the closest we will get to the rostrum is watching the awards from the pits. I hope I am wrong but we stand no chance. The BV riders have been crap around their track bar S Worrall. Harris seems to ride a first bend to get out of the way. Nicholls is too old, Cook is nowhere near good enough and neither is King. Their time has gone. Only Woffinden and young Lambert deserve their places. And I would be brave if I was Rosco as the Danish manager was a few years ago. Use the kids. The old guard are not going to do anything for England, so why not blood youngsters? They could well come in 50 metres behind, but what experience in front of a partisan crowd? And really they couldn't do a lot worse than our so called best of Brits. Woffinden Lambert S Worrall A Ellis Res. Bates Of course Rosco wouldn't be that brave but he has nothing to lose. We are not going to win anyway. Woffinden King Harris Cook. Res. Ellis I would enjoy going with the younger team myself.

I personally think my speedway knowledge is pretty good. I have been going long enough. I watch all leagues in Poland and Sweden as well as domestic and have a very good idea who is coming through in the sport. So if I have a different opinion I lack knowledge? My personal opinion is Sufudinov, after a brilliant start to his career, has levelled off. He is a very good rider but World Champion? Not for me anymore. Better riders out there. He career is passing him by through bereavement, injury and extremely dodgy (ridiculous) career decisions. Of course there will always be people like yourself, with a lack of international speedway knowledge, that think he is better than he really is today. Still, if you don't follow the sport in Poland and Sweden, your limited speedway knowledge will show up on such matters. Harsh but true old bean.

In the program last night he said he had broken no rule and would have taken it further and won, but the team did a job on Lakeside anyway so there was no point.