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Experienced could also be a polite way of describing riders who are passed it though. Think we're using the Young sensational racers line to describe Ben Cook, Ben Basso & Jenkins tbh.

I'm good, That was obvious weeks ago imo. Long shot but Tomalin might have pulled a rabbit out of the hat if he's still talking about winning trophies. We're not Arsenal lol.

So what's everybody's final prediction for our 1-7 then? 15.61 left for the final two riders after the obvious duo of NKI & Andersen. Have we managed to save our bacon by pulling off a move for Nicki Pedersen, Ramus Jensen or Kenneth Bjerre? Or will it be the very likely route involving riders like Worrall, Tungate, Craig Cook etc.

Riss is much better than Tungate around Ipswich though so that would make them weaker imo.

Seeing as my first conspiracy was correct I'm going for another one having thought about it in the last few minutes. Ulrich Ostergaard will do a U-Turn and will ride for the Panthers in 2023.

Sticking with what I said yesterday and I'd be shocked if I'm wrong. Holder & Hume to Ipswich. NKI, Andersen, Tungate, Worrall, Basso, Cook & JJ to Panthers.

Told you, It's been obvious for a while imo.

Forgone conclusion then if he's not the owner. PP - NKI, Andersen, Tungate, Worrall, Basso, Cook & JJ IPS - Doyle, Rew, King, Riss, Holder, Hume & Thomas

Take it he's not going to be the owner now then.

Agree, I don't think it was supposed to come to this though. I think the takeover was going to be completed in November but something went wrong hence the reason why the planned radio announcement was cancelled at the last minute. Ipswich probably chased shadows (Emil) thinking they could get one over on Poland before giving up the ghost. Then it's all led to this situation between the two clubs making verbal agreements with the same riders where neither club can make a move until they know what the other club is doing for certain. Riders caught up in it while the fans are left frustrated with a lack of news, Like you said really messy.

Can see why Ipswich aren't realising Tungate to Panthers now because if Tomalin completes the takeover and wrapped up deals for both Holder & Worrall as well then Ipswich would be left with none of them. All of that would make Hans Andersen a lock for Peterborough in 2023 no matter who's in charge, Assuming NKI is also a lock too unless Nicki P has a verbal agreement that no ITK knows about. If Tomalin completes the takeover then we'd only be getting one of Tungate or Worrall as Ipswich would need to use the other one considering Holder would be a Panther.

At least we've finally got to the bottom of it now by putting two and two together after reading this weeks PT and the Speedway Star which basically gave it away.

Makes all the sense in the world after forgetting about Baldy's post regarding Tungate the other day. Holder not putting pen to paper until a takeover is complete. Tungate isn't being released by Ipswich until they know who they're getting in return, Not leaving themselves short so they're playing it safe with the waiting game. Worrall is virtually the middle man as it stands but guaranteed a Premiership place at the end of it. All of them are 50/50 coin flips as it stands and anyone of them could end up at Ipswich or Peterborough.

I forgot about that but yes Tungate too then.

Love a conspiracy theory so here's one that's based around a domino effect between two clubs, Kind of makes sense as well imo, Let me know what you think. 1. Peterborough's team building suffers delay after delay and Ipswich team building is now delayed yet another month according to Hawkins. 2. Ipswich aren't getting Emil and it's all PR and instead they're waiting to see if Tomalin completes the takeover of Peterborough because if he doesn't then they're getting Chris Holder to go with Danyon Hume. 3. Chris Holder has chosen his destination for 2023 (Peterborough) but it's only a verbal agreement on the basis that the club is owned by Tomalin, Deal off if Buster remains in charge. 4. If Tomalin completes the takeover and Holder finally puts pen to paper then Ipswich will probably end up with Richie Worrall considering he's the rider who's in one minute and then out the next at Peterborough but Peterborough aren't giving Richie the green light to sign for Ipswich just yet as we'll need him if the takeover doesn't happen. 5. Ipswich aren't signing a seventh rider until they know who the sixth rider is going to be but they've got verbal agreements in place with riders too as confirmed by Hawkins on Twitter. My guess is those riders are Chris Holder, Richie Worrall and Danyon Hume. The Emil stuff just isn't believable to me as I can't see Emil going back on his word by pishing off Torun's management and causing a rift with them to a point where the FIM has to step just so he can ride in Britain. Torun can easily terminate Emil for breach of contract if the Speedway Star article is true about the conditions in Emil's Polish contract where he agreed to ride in Poland only. All of this results in the following 1-7's for both clubs Tomalin owned Panthers (NKI, Andersen, Basso, Tungate, Holder, Cook & JJ) or Buster owned Panthers (NKI, Andersen, Tungate, Worrall, Basso, Cook & JJ) Ipswich (Doyle, Worrall, Riss, King, Rew, Thomas + Batchelor or a returning engine rider to Britain) or (Doyle, Rew, King, Riss, Holder, Hume & Thomas)

If it's a Tomalin 1-7 then I've got 100% faith in both Holder and Tungate being in with only one of Andersen or Worrall. Just a lot of ifs, buts and maybe's at the moment. Our ITK's have given us a select pool of possibilities for 2023 to build a 1-7 with and that pool is thin (Nicki P, NKI, Holder, Tungate, Worrall & Andersen) unless their is some wildcards that nobody knows about.

A more in depth look at my latest 1-7 just screams Buster Chapman 1-7. We've got NKI @ 1 apparently and he's Buster's go to go guy when searching for a No.1, NKI always rides for Buster Chapman whether it's at KL or Panthers, NKI was going to be a Panther a couple of years ago but the season got cancelled. We've got Basso and apparently the early rumour was that Ben wanted to ride for KL another Buster owned club before dropping Premiership racing altogether until another U-Turn happened. We've got Richie Worrall apparently and it's an easy move for Buster Chapman to make giving a member of his 2022 KL Stars side a gig at Panthers in 2023. We've got Hans Andersen apparently and it's an easy budget deal to do at whatever price Buster feels like paying for Hans because Hans wouldn't be in a position to demand a certain amount as no other club would go near him in 2023 so it's a case of ride for this amount or don't ride at all. Chris Holder & Buster Chapman wouldn't work for each other again so he's 100% out if the side isn't owned by Michael Tomalin so it brings us full circle to Rohan Tungate's like that he left on the Panthers facebook post regarding the fixture list and he can complete the 1-5 with the already announced reserve pairing of Cook & Jenkins.

Unfortunately so, The bottom part of the article doesn't fill me with any confidence at all tbh. Your info said 4 had signed and 3 of those were confirmed one after the other at a reasonable pace but Holder hasn't been announced yet which makes me think something could've gone wrong with that one and by the process of elimination everything points towards Holder or NKI being out. Hawkins comments tells us Andersen & Worrall are both at Peterborough imo, Tungate's like on the fixture list post points towards Rohan being a done deal imo. I also think Buster Chapman remains as the owner as it stands because that 1-7 is a Buster Chapman side rather than a Michael Tomalin side imo.

My prediction. Andersen & Worrall locks imo (Ipswich not interested), Tungate liked the fixture list post, NKI will take all the work he can get considering he's at the back end of his career and Polish rules allow him to do 4 leagues now, The other 3 have been confirmed already. NKI Andersen Tungate Worrall Basso B. Cook JJ

At least that's something. No way is the rumoured 1-7 true now going by that article. Some ins are now outs and I think Chris Holder is one of them because he would've been announced by now if he signed ages ago imo.

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Management have to do something because they'll run at a massive financial loss otherwise. They won't shift many season tickets with just the 3 riders announced and barely anyone will buy one if the team is 2 something under the limit containing both Andersen & Worrall. Our management have talked a big game all winter so they've got to deliver the goods now.

Blinded by loyalty / love to a point where neither side even considers leaving the other no matter how bad it gets. We can now pencil Andersen in at Peterborough until he decides to retire now, Signing him on a 4.93 when you've got over 7.00 points left to use tells us everything we need to know about the clubs thinking behind the decision imo.

I know which is why we're stuffed imo. Going to have a rider struggling to score well at No.2 all season now and our No.4 (Worrall) is never going to ride above his average on a consistent basis.