Crump99

Someone did (from FB): Helen Lambert - after Roberts first race, he came back into the pits in pain, and got worse after each race he was in, he was riding through the pain barrier and really struggled in his last race to which he nearly pulled out of, so he was clearly NOT FIT to ride

I don't have a problem with the way it is, just that they're not very good on the whole at delivering what they want us to hear. Don't get the last bit or where that fits in.

That's true. There are always two sides, and if speedway told the truth more often and didn't treat fans like mugs then they might not get so upset when those fans try to make sense of the type of disinformation that is often put out in the public domain. Bratters always accused me of looking for a story that wasn't there. Basically because so much guff was put out, you end up never believing any of it unfortunately. Sullivan, Andersen, Zabik, MJJ, the Drymls, we've had much bigger fish than Lambert to doubt at times. Anyway, looking at the German forum, Lambert didn't ride so that's one up to him.

No let's ask you as you're the one who brought it up. You clearly think you know the answer but just what an ordinary fan knows about internal affairs I can't imagine?

That's where his future lies so lower league Panthers were never going to be priority.

That's what happens when you turn yourself into a little club at the beck and call of a club you've kept going with your riders for years, now providing a stepping stone for their juniors - not that I'm bitter of course, but certainly got out of the wrong side of the bed thus far

I've never believed that things come in threes but the evidence is stacking up.

You can tell it's written by speedway hating Swann: he's probably read that supremo is a no-go but he's no idea who it relates to? "Peterborough Panthers supremo hopes" Broken shoulder, 2 1/2 weeks - that'd be some trick! That's pushing it for a simple collar bone.

At least some things don't change. Good news about the quiz though!

We can't be too far away from a 4TT where a team turns up with 4 guests

Panthers haven't had that mentality for 8 years, hence a total lack of success and loss of status. Rathbone seems to get everyone on board but it does seem that he will make the difficult decisions on the team front.

It does always help to clarify what you're talking about doesn't it It's like posting: I was talking someone in the pits last night and they hit the nail on the head.

That may be true but not until it's confirmed "The club will announce their team plans for the crucial Premier League showdown against Sheffield tomorrow (Friday) in due course." - unless you're Mr Due Course of course?

Has he told us? "Lambert’s new average of 8.53 has taken effect, but captain Ulrich Ostergaard remains at number one on his mark of 8.63. That means the youngster can only be covered by the rider replacement facility" Unless Blackbird being out changes things?

not according to the website, but that'd be nothing new! "Panthers will operate the rider replacement facility to cover the absence of Lambert,"

I don't think it was. He just went for the white line to stop the rider inside him. Mick Poole used to do that week in and week out for Panthers, as Andersen did here at 2.16? There's a bit more room at the EoES but you get the idea. If the bloke inside keeps the throttle on to try to barge through (it can work at the EoES, as I watched Lambert do in our last home meeting) then that's the gamble, this time he got it wrong: that's racing!

It was interesting watching F1 last weekend and the Ron Dennis interview. I just transposed what he said to the BSF and thought of you, so a timely post from our village idiot to start the day with a smile: "I consider F1 a family, families live in villages and there's always a village idiot."

Wasn't that his point though, in that fickle fans can only be fickle if the club is there in the first place and people should remember that? If the overall entertainment package was better than tractor racing, extended breaks and invisible people on microphones for example, then a few poor home performances might not be the be all and end all of the situation. If we want to compare highlights then how about this one from Mick Bratley? "I will never forget that the 2006 Grand Final, arguably the greatest modern day meeting ever, watched live by over 6000 people and by thousands more at home, was followed by a Craven Shield fixture attended by less than 700 people. If that Grand Final won’t pull people in, then what will?!?!" They might turn up for the new Glasgow or Ward but overall speedway is a mess.

Speedway crowds are dwindling because the sport's a mess and as an entertainment package it's poor value.The sport is also down to the bare bones of the "because it's there" hardcore fans so I'm not sure whether that threat works now, even if it's true in that respect.

Popular as always I do agree though, and you missed one: "One of the best things about the PL is that with a couple of idiotic exceptions we don't have the type of 'supporters' who pollute the EL, and some of whom have brought their poison into this thread." - how did he know that stevebrum was going to post

I read a book once - green it was - his real name is Mr Heslop

Well it did in a way I suppose because it got a reaction, but now that you explain you're reasoning I can see that I was out of order. We should be helping you to get the support that you clearly need rather than criticising. At the moment I'm totally indifferent to the PL, and British Speedway itself come to that, so couldn't give a fig who won tbh (you might struggle with that concept) but as long as you're happy

Just reading about Scunthorpe's problems leads me to think that this sort of thinking (surprisingly liked, or perhaps not, by the northern oracle) is partly why speedway's in a mess. Just put any old meeting on and cross your fingers, it might work! That's not a go at Berwick or Scunthorpe, more at the because it's there brigade!

Steady on, that'll be fighting talk in the world of the BSF's very own Gareth Keenan: Assistant to the forum idiot, wherever they went?

Why would I want to do that.? Anyway, I doubt you'll do the Friday rush if it's the 17th & yesterday confirmed my dislike of Sunday, so I'll not do the 19th, so should either of those materialise then we could be struggling thankfully