Cardiff 24

[eric i]

17 minutes ago, bellevueace said:

Manchester itself isnt a problem its got more museums, pubs, hotels, restauraunts, and a myriad of other things to do, as for the speedway side are,nt there other GP,s held in stadiums with similar capacities? having to put in a temporary stand on the third and fourth bend and the cost of recuperating that cost is a problem. As the council were adamant a condition of the stadium being built was to host world events could a perminent facility have been put in place on the third and fourth bends? Obviously its not required for league meetings but would have given the stadium that extra capacity without the hike in prices we saw for the SON. I always felt the stadium looks incomplete.

Manchester is a problem, it is not a tourist city and thats putting it nicely as I can.

Edited August 18, 2024 by eric i

[ouch]

27 minutes ago, bellevueace said:

Manchester itself isnt a problem its got more museums, pubs, hotels, restauraunts, and a myriad of other things to do, as for the speedway side are,nt there other GP,s held in stadiums with similar capacities? having to put in a temporary stand on the third and fourth bend and the cost of recuperating that cost is a problem. As the council were adamant a condition of the stadium being built was to host world events could a perminent facility have been put in place on the third and fourth bends? Obviously its not required for league meetings but would have given the stadium that extra capacity without the hike in prices we saw for the SON. I always felt the stadium looks incomplete.

The south stand was never completed and that was a bugbear for the initial promoters. When they stopped paying whilst awaiting a resolution the council with the assistance of Chapman, kicked them out. 

Still waiting for a completed south stand and the increased capacity it would give us. 

[ouch]

22 minutes ago, eric i said:

Manchester is a problem, it is not a tourist city and thats putting it nicely as I can.

Do a bit of googling as you’ll find that’s very much an incorrect assumption. 

Of all the UK cities outside our capital Manchester is the top destination for tourists. 

Having more than double the amount of hotel beds than Cardiff provided by many different operators, it is hoped more affordable rates would be available. Problem there though is with Manchester being so popular availability would be an issue. 

[Mumsie]

5 minutes ago, ouch said:

Do a bit of googling as you’ll find that’s very much an incorrect assumption. 

Of all the UK cities outside our capital Manchester is the top destination for tourists. 

Having more than double the amount of hotel beds than Cardiff provided by many different operators, it is hoped more affordable rates would be available. Problem there though is with Manchester being so popular availability would be an issue. 

Liverpool is a far superior City to visit imo.

[R87]

4 hours ago, chunky said:

If so, that's something new. Wembley was always packed, yet nobody went THERE for the racing...

Wembley produced good racing without the promoters needing to booby trap the surface to manufacture it

[ouch]

31 minutes ago, Mumsie said:

Liverpool is a far superior City to visit imo.

Love Liverpool and at 30 odd miles away that would easily add to a long weekend in the North West. 

[MattB]

13 minutes ago, R87 said:

Wembley produced good racing without the promoters needing to booby trap the surface to manufacture it

How many falls were there last night?

[szkocjasid]

4 hours ago, eric i said:

Decent racing, excellent result. crowd looked similar to last year. Some cost saving measures on event promotion, parade and fireworks, but ticket prices are cheaper 🙂

Felt for Janowski, I don't like it coming down to ranking, I would prefer if it came down to qualifying time.  

The problem with that, is the rider out in track first usually has an advantage.

[Rob B]

3 hours ago, TheReturn said:

Why can’t they just have an additional race off in these situations? 

Who would have choice of gates?

[Debbi]

12 hours ago, racers and royals said:

We had an announcement on the 3rd October 2023 with the announcement of the GP riders and reserves for 2024. These are the rankings from 1 to 15 and the reserves 1 to 7. If you google GP reserve riders you will find the article on the Speedway GP website.

Thanks that clears it up a bit. I got the impression from the interview with Armando, said it was on last years world championship result which “nobody wanted to do it on.” So it seemed a little murky.

Either way I felt them saying one rider then another and that rider complains so it’s looked at again and changed was a farce and didn’t look good at all.

 

[Debbi]

7 minutes ago, Rob B said:

Who would have choice of gates?

Do a draw like they used to do. Four colours in a dip each rider takes one, or Armando (fim official) pull the colour out for each rider. 

[eric i]

7 minutes ago, Debbi said:

Thanks that clears it up a bit. I got the impression from the interview with Armando, said it was on last years world championship result which “nobody wanted to do it on.” So it seemed a little murky.

Either way I felt them saying one rider then another and that rider complains so it’s looked at again and changed was a farce and didn’t look good at all.

 

I agree, Whatever the system they use to decide order it can't be hard to get a spreadsheet that can instantly give you the correct order.

Edited August 18, 2024 by eric i

[Gambo95]

5 hours ago, eric i said:

Decent racing, excellent result. crowd looked similar to last year. Some cost saving measures on event promotion, parade and fireworks, but ticket prices are cheaper 🙂

Felt for Janowski, I don't like it coming down to ranking, I would prefer if it came down to qualifying time.  

Just watched a few heats today as missed last night.

Janowski and Lambert should have went through on the head to head results as they won 2 of the 3 head to heads.

By the way Martin was, I think it looks like he knew the FIM rules and that he was through.

That says to me that it was down to ranking between Martin and Dan with Dan being eliminated.

Was speaking to a mate who agreed with me that no way should Janowski have been eliminated as they qualified through option 5 (head to head results).

[andout]

17 minutes ago, eric i said:

I agree, Whatever the system they use to decide order it can't be hard to get a spreadsheet that can instantly give you the correct order.

In this case it would not have been able to do it either, this was probably (don't know for sure) the first time this has happened and since they could not split all four "Rankings" were the only way to go. I agree with others though, a run off in this situation would have been the fairest thing to do.

[eric i]

20 minutes ago, andout said:

In this case it would not have been able to do it either, this was probably (don't know for sure) the first time this has happened and since they could not split all four "Rankings" were the only way to go. I agree with others though, a run off in this situation would have been the fairest thing to do.

If they are going to use 'Rankings' they could still have put that into spreadsheet calculations.

[IainB]

4 minutes ago, eric i said:

If they are going to use 'Rankings' they could still have put that into spreadsheet calculations.

For spread sheet calculations, see Embassy No 6 calculations 

[andout]

17 minutes ago, iainb said:

For spread sheet calculations, see Embassy No 6 calculations 

Yep you are correct........

[tellboy]

1 hour ago, Gambo95 said:

Just watched a few heats today as missed last night.

Janowski and Lambert should have went through on the head to head results as they won 2 of the 3 head to heads.

By the way Martin was, I think it looks like he knew the FIM rules and that he was through.

That says to me that it was down to ranking between Martin and Dan with Dan being eliminated.

Was speaking to a mate who agreed with me that no way should Janowski have been eliminated as they qualified through option 5 (head to head results).

I was there and I was thinking Dan could go simply as you said Robert and Magic won two of their head to heads.But I have now looked at the programme and with Vaculik and Dan each winning one of their head to heads you would expect the winner of their head to head should be the one to go through.That would mean Vaculik should have been out imo as in ht 5 Dan won with Vaculik last.

[Debbi]

4 hours ago, tellboy said:

I was there and I was thinking Dan could go simply as you said Robert and Magic won two of their head to heads.But I have now looked at the programme and with Vaculik and Dan each winning one of their head to heads you would expect the winner of their head to head should be the one to go through.That would mean Vaculik should have been out imo as in ht 5 Dan won with Vaculik last.

From the tv footage Robert looked resigned to being out. This was obviously changed to Vaculik. Vaculik then went to find Phil Morris and was clearly making his point and getting a little heated then we hear it’s changed again. Armando said there were officials in the refs box looking at it well surely they didn’t need to be in there, tv cameras, all over they have transponder times etc are we really saying they could not get all of this in the pits, they seemed to be able to hold an FIM jury meeting in Denmark (very quickly) last year to exclude Zmarzlik! It also seems odd that Armando is high up in the FIM for speedway and wasn’t with said officials in the refs box. Instead Armando looked like a deer caught in headlights when they tried to ask him about it, but no one from the FIM Phil, Armando or whoever, actually explained how they had come to this decision and why which would have been made clear to supporters what was going on and why! I know this is very rare so they hadn’t thought ahead for this, but there should have been more clarity from the officials, on the night!

why not look at the heat times with the fastest 3 going through? Have a run off? Instead of looking like incompetent idiots (trying to be polite)! How on earth do you explain this to media, newcomers, fans in the stadium especially when the official commentators had no clue either! 

[mikebv]

Hold a run off...

Use rankings if needed to determine gate picks..

Or, as all finished level, just do a random one...

A run off would have took less time than working it all out...

And look far, far more professional...