screm Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 33 minutes ago, scaramanga said: Cost is a factor 20 quid don't sound much But a family can be 50 quid plus extras burgers ice cream Not many family's can afford that on regular basis Need to make kids as cheap as possible they are future paying fans Has anyone thought or found if there's 2 company's Training track and speedway as separate im sure it's not uncommon to run as 2 separate But id be more inclined that it is something more like this paperwork as non payment as non payment in speedway is more common than some like to admit or to be a bit more fair payment on time I`ve said for many seasons that nobody should be paying more than £15 at Championship level, £1 per race seems about right to me. You get the feeling with some promotions know that they have a hard chore of customers who they know will turn up pretty much every week and are quite happy to screw them every season with ever increasing admission prices. Cost is an issue, as is irregular racing, its very easy to find other things to do on a race night. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShoe Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 2 hours ago, geoff100 said: I think 250 is a bit off the mark,but 3pm on a sat is not ideal for alot of fans . It was more than 250 and I believe the figure excludes season ticket holders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 1 hour ago, IainB said: Cost is certainly a factor, there are many factors though. Speedway's pricing structure is a bit archaic, I linked to crickets T20 pricing a few weeks back and they have many pricing options. It's okay having kids for a quid or kids go free but what happens when they hit 16, 17 or 18 and they're faced with a 2000% price increase and they're earning minimum wage? They're probably lost to the sport until they're over 40 and have carved a decent living out for themselves. I am having less customers that last year... So... Should I? a) Do some research to find out the truth as to why and fix the issues? Or.. b) Increase my prices to those who still visit me to cover the shortfall? It must be such a tricky one to answer, hence so many promoters seem to opt for b).... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShoe Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 12 minutes ago, SteelShoe said: It was more than 250 and I believe the figure excludes season ticket holders. The fact still remains that for alot of clubs expenditure is exceeding income. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scaramanga Posted June 28, 2025 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 2 minutes ago, mikebv said: I am having less customers that last year... So... Should I? a) Do some research to find out the truth as to why and fix the issues? Or.. b) Increase my prices to those who still visit me to cover the shortfall? It must be such a tricky one to answer, hence so many promoters seem to opt for b).... the problem partly is there are no promoters anymore just people who run speedway tracks glasgow do the kids race like it or loath it but how many others do anything before or during the meeting in the ian thomas days he would get stunt riders ,fire eaters circus performers even rally cars trying to beat lap record amongst other things most tracks now just long periods between heats with nothing not even a rider interview 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShoe Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 5 minutes ago, mikebv said: I am having less customers that last year... So... Should I? a) Do some research to find out the truth as to why and fix the issues? Or.. b) Increase my prices to those who still visit me to cover the shortfall? It must be such a tricky one to answer, hence so many promoters seem to opt for b).... It is a tricky one, for £20 plus do fans need a bit more than the racing for them to think it is good value for money and a right good day out ?. I will go whatever but still think it could offer more in the way of ancilliary entertainment especially for kids. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 long walk for any without transport aswell at northside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 1 hour ago, screm said: I`ve said for many seasons that nobody should be paying more than £15 at Championship level, £1 per race seems about right to me. You get the feeling with some promotions know that they have a hard chore of customers who they know will turn up pretty much every week and are quite happy to screw them every season with ever increasing admission prices. Cost is an issue, as is irregular racing, its very easy to find other things to do on a race night. Dont think promotions screw the fans riders deserve every penny they can get but their has to be a cut off point,standard engines no big payouts to engine tuners do they really 4 helmets might be little things but costs need to match imcome ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 36 minutes ago, scaramanga said: the problem partly is there are no promoters anymore just people who run speedway tracks glasgow do the kids race like it or loath it but how many others do anything before or during the meeting in the ian thomas days he would get stunt riders ,fire eaters circus performers even rally cars trying to beat lap record amongst other things most tracks now just long periods between heats with nothing not even a rider interview Bang on! There seems to very much be a "if you build it they will come" style of promoting that purvades the sport these days, with probably only Glasgow the exception. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 Plymouth do it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 34 minutes ago, scaramanga said: long walk for any without transport aswell at northside Think that is also an issue.Its a fair distance from Public Transport.Its a sign of the trouble the sport is in when such an entertaining track can’t get a decent level of support. most of the issues raised are valid though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 (edited) 40 minutes ago, scaramanga said: long walk for any without transport aswell at northside Where's @geoff100 with his coach when you need him 🤔😉😜 Seriously though, Oxford do it to and from their car park and to a much lesser extent Leicester with their golf cart to get the infirm up and down the hill on the approach to the stadium. Edited June 28, 2025 by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 Just now, IainB said: Where's @geoff100 with his coach when you need him 🤔😉😜 Lol it was tried in the first season was hardly used so soon stopped . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 4 minutes ago, geoff100 said: Lol it was tried in the first season was hardly used so soon stopped . That's fair enough, good on the promotion for doing it, maybe not the issue @scaramanga thinks it is then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 In their Berrington Lough days, Berwick had a double decker every Saturday night, it was virtually empty on virtually every occasion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 1 hour ago, SteelShoe said: It was more than 250 and I believe the figure excludes season ticket holders. I’m told it was 250 but yes that could of excluded season ticket holders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 1 hour ago, scaramanga said: the problem partly is there are no promoters anymore just people who run speedway tracks glasgow do the kids race like it or loath it but how many others do anything before or during the meeting in the ian thomas days he would get stunt riders ,fire eaters circus performers even rally cars trying to beat lap record amongst other things most tracks now just long periods between heats with nothing not even a rider interview While I agree with this post, even Ian Thomas would struggle today, the financial world is collapsing, businesses are going to the wall at an alarming rate and even the multinational companies are seeing a downturn in business, people are starting to really feel it and questioning their free time expenditure, speedway is easy pickings because that’s where your post comes into play,up to this point speedway itself is 90% to blame for the state it is in but this year the crowds have plummeted at quite a few tracks, with a few doing ok and some doing ok when it’s an attractive fixture,there is no easy fix for this and it’s easy to blame the promoters but this time it’s not them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 45 minutes ago, screm said: In their Berrington Lough days, Berwick had a double decker every Saturday night, it was virtually empty on virtually every occasion. But the crowds were still decent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 One of the main problems in this country is you do have enough money coming into the sport in sponsorship etc. to make it a viable proposition for the number of clubs and with riders wanting to be full time employees using kit which is far too expensive it is impossible to square the financial circle. Stadia want the rent, riders demand top dollar to earn a living and maintain equipment and pay mechanics etc and fewer pundits have disposal income to take a family of four week in week out. As Dean has already said, the bikes are not a lot faster than years back but a good deal more expensive to run and maintain. Do spectators really care if the race is a few seconds slower. As long as you are being entertained I do not see race times an issue. The British public are simply not in love with speedway like they use to be and it is a brave person who would invest in the current business model in the UK. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singy13 Posted June 28, 2025 Report Share Posted June 28, 2025 (edited) 4 hours ago, singy13 said: Where is the 'guru'....the once forum mine of information? Come back THJ you're needed asap!!!!! So then the 'guru' has responded - hope you don't mind me labelling that THJ - but welcome back marra. Hope more have seen your response John. Edited June 28, 2025 by singy13 updated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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