Ipswich vs Leicester play off Semi-final 9th Sept

[Arch Stanton]

1 minute ago, DaveWayne said:

Interesting. Is he speaking on behalf of himself, his employers on the night, or the team he has guested for numerous times this season ?

Looks to me like he’s just giving his honest opinion to start with but then being a bit careful in the second part. Don’t think he could be accused of any bias here as I think 99% of people are of the same opinion regarding the decisions last night aren’t they?

[Arch Stanton]

9 minutes ago, SUPERACE said:

Knowing British Speedway point 1 wouldn't surprise me, but how crazy would it be if he's allowed to drop down again.

Point 2 this is what i get

Doyle: 9.36

Emil: 9.12

Rew: 5.79

Ellis: 5.47

Brennan: 6.59

Thompson: 3.10

Total:            39.43

https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/p24_issue_33.pdf
 

These are the latest GSA’s. Not the final averages so if you’ve worked out what the final averages will be you’re far better at this than me so I’ll bow to your knowledge on this one. 

Edited September 13, 2024 by Arch Stanton

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38 minutes ago, SUPERACE said:

Jenkins cant be a rising star, the rules state once a rider achieves an average of 4 they will no longer be eligible to be a rising star, so he cant go back.

Also what averages are you using as that 1 to 6 comes in at 39.43.

011.2.1 Rising Stars
The criteria for Premiership Rising Stars is as follows: -
• The age limit for Rising Stars for the 2024 season onwards is 23 years of age on the 1st of January of that year
• The Rider must have a Premiership League average of 4.00 or
below

Nothing mentioned about any previous average. 

29 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

Point one, I’m hearing conflicting things on whether Jenkins will be eligible or not we’ll just have to wait and see. 
 

Point two, the latest GSA’s with 2.5% reduction for the British riders, and 25% reduction for Dan Thompson for exiting the rising star scheme. 

010.2.1
Updated MA’s will be calculated monthly on a maximum of a 20 meeting rolling basis on all eligible meetings from the 2024, 2023 and 2022 seasons, up to and including 23rd of the month, to become effective from the 1st of the following month.
 

There are meetings still to add to the GSA’s you’re using. 

Edited September 13, 2024 by ouch

[DaveWayne]

12 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

Looks to me like he’s just giving his honest opinion to start with but then being a bit careful in the second part. Don’t think he could be accused of any bias here as I think 99% of people are of the same opinion regarding the decisions last night aren’t they?

Some were dodgy, some of the ones mentioned here were 50/50 and could have gone either way depending which side you leaned towards.

Not surprising though. Her decisions cost Sheffield the play off final in 2022.

[Arch Stanton]

1 hour ago, 1 valve said:

The referee didn't steel the show. The riders made it. Shame on a promoter using such wording and showing a complete lack of professionalism. 

I’m sorry, but she absolutely DID steal the show. It’s the hot topic of debate there’s no doubt about it. Louis was pretty lenient in his response and very gracious when interviewed last night IMO. I’m not sure many others would have been quite so dignified!

[flagrag]

26 minutes ago, SUPERACE said:

Dan Thompson cant be a rising star, hes now above a 4 point average. 

Reports have been going around Leicester recently that Paul Cairns wants to meet with Dan Thompson and to resolve the issues so that he can return to Leicester with sponsorship on offer .

He will not be on the RS list so can possibly see him being no6 

[FishersGate]

2 minutes ago, flagrag said:

Reports have been going around Leicester recently that Paul Cairns wants to meet with Dan Thompson and to resolve the issues so that he can return to Leicester with sponsorship on offer .

He will not be on the RS list so can possibly see him being no6 

Which reports are these may I ask? Would be great to have him back. Although I'm pretty sure things aren't rosey between the family of Dan and certain members of the club

[1 valve]

28 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

Of course she bloody did! It may have escaped you, but it’s literally the ONLY thing everybody is talking about since the meeting last night however badly you don’t want it to be the case!!

err, not true that its the ONLY thing everybody is talking about. Some of the other views effecting the outcome being raised are: 
The track,
Danny King
Witches management 
Leicester riders staying on their bikes
Ipswich riders falling off their bikes
The home leg result being the reason for the aggregate loss.  

It is true statement that the referee and her decisions are commented on by many, of which quite a few are factually wrong or appear to be made based on emotion and bias if not a lack of knowledge of the rules of speedway.
But, hey , that's the beauty of this forum, everybody is entitled to voice their opinion That is so long as is not made personal and or deeply offensive.

[Arch Stanton]

7 minutes ago, flagrag said:

Reports have been going around Leicester recently that Paul Cairns wants to meet with Dan Thompson and to resolve the issues so that he can return to Leicester with sponsorship on offer .

He will not be on the RS list so can possibly see him being no6 

In the words of Les Dennis, if that happens I’ll give you the money meself 😉

[flagrag]

7 minutes ago, FishersGate said:

Which reports are these may I ask? Would be great to have him back. Although I'm pretty sure things aren't rosey between the family of Dan and certain members of the club

That is what Paul Cairns wants to try and resolve this winter.

Dan is now a lot more independent with his own mechanics and maybe a sit down with Mr Dickson can sort out their differences. If the sponsorship package is correct that can also change riders minds 

Edited September 13, 2024 by flagrag

[1 valve]

2 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

In the words of Les Dennis, if that happens I’ll give you the money meself 😉

Are Dan & Joe both Leicester assets? 

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Phil Morris must be very pleased with all the social media traffic that has been generated because of the match fixing ref 

[BluPanther]

Carlsberg don't do 'gone missing', but if they did, they would do 'Danny King gone missing'...

[ArchiePelago]

50 minutes ago, DaveWayne said:

Interesting. Is he speaking on behalf of himself, his employers on the night, or the team he has guested for numerous times this season ?

It's on his own personal account, so that tells you!

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41 minutes ago, flagrag said:

That is what Paul Cairns wants to try and resolve this winter.

Dan is now a lot more independent with his own mechanics and maybe a sit down with Mr Dickson can sort out their differences. If the sponsorship package is correct that can also change riders minds 

I’m pretty certain that Dan would find some Tru Plant sponsorship coming his way if needed 

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2 hours ago, Bash said:

How do you know that Emil is not available next year?

At the moment it would appear it’s a choice between England & Sweden for Emil next year. Hopefully he decides to come back to England we all know if he does it’s 100% Ipswich. Part of me thinks that he’ll decide on Sweden however I also get the feeling he knows that there is unfinished business with Ipswich. If he does return then I think next year will be he last.

[89buttons]

2 hours ago, Hamish McRaker said:

Fricke lost control because he received a big lateral shove from the rider in gate one as they were about to enter bend one. This probably occurred because all four riders by this stage were aiming for more or less the same piece of track. Therefore what happened subsequently could not have been prevented by him and the decision to re-start the heat with all riders was correct.

Watch it back with glasses, fricke was lifting already before any minimal contact with kvech 👍

[KevtheRev]

3 hours ago, FishersGate said:

Some of the comments on social media stating that Leicester paid the referee are honestly crazy. Calling us cheats etc. Listen the ref was absolutely sh#t but to label us as cheats is too far. The ref should be investigated but not for bribary but for being crap at her job. I do feel for ipswich fans but don't take it out on us as a club. We could not do anything about the ref, I agree Leicester got lucky but at the end of the day Ipswich had riders that couldn't stay on bike. Also how important does that heat 15 at Ipswich look now? Literally tried to put loads of dirt on certain gates and got caught out. Ipswich bottled it at home and had an even playing field with the weather yesterday altering the track. So home advantage pretty much went. Anyways on a positive note we're in the final and whatever happens we've had a great season. Ipswich fans can feel unlucky losing Doyle and Emil, if they were fit they would have won the whole lot.

The Gate story was nonsense. The tractor dumped dirt on gates 2 & 3 and if you watch the reply, when it pans out to Phil Morris on the track he is raking the dirt away from Gate 2.

[SUPERACE]

1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said:

https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/p24_issue_33.pdf
 

These are the latest GSA’s. Not the final averages so if you’ve worked out what the final averages will be you’re far better at this than me so I’ll bow to your knowledge on this one. 

I think (I could be wrong here) but your averages will have meetings missing as they only include August up to and including 23rd.  The averages I have used are the season ending totals after Ipswich and Birmingham's last meetings on the 29th August. 

[SUPERACE]

1 hour ago, ouch said:

011.2.1 Rising Stars
The criteria for Premiership Rising Stars is as follows: -
• The age limit for Rising Stars for the 2024 season onwards is 23 years of age on the 1st of January of that year
• The Rider must have a Premiership League average of 4.00 or
below

Nothing mentioned about any previous average. 

010.2.1
Updated MA’s will be calculated monthly on a maximum of a 20 meeting rolling basis on all eligible meetings from the 2024, 2023 and 2022 seasons, up to and including 23rd of the month, to become effective from the 1st of the following month.
 

There are meetings still to add to the GSA’s you’re using. 

Reading the wording on Rising Stars you could be right as its around the 2024 season and doesn't cover past seasons.  Common sense would mean a rider who has progressed out of the RS isn't allowed to drop back in it.   My personal opinion is all riders 21 and under should be able to be a rising star no matter their average, and up to and including 23 on an average below 4 (moving our of the scheme for good once this average is achieved).