Ipswich vs Leicester play off Semi-final 9th Sept

[SUPERACE]

1 hour ago, DaveWayne said:

Some were dodgy, some of the ones mentioned here were 50/50 and could have gone either way depending which side you leaned towards.

Not surprising though. Her decisions cost Sheffield the play off final in 2022.

No it didn't, her decisions were wrong but they were wrong for both teams.  Sheffield simply weren't good enough over 2 legs. 

[bigcatdiary]

6 hours ago, tyler42 said:

The main issue for me, was she showed no consideration for the track conditions. Any competent ref would have, and as  such given the riders the benefit of doubt. Then to compound things, she decided, Max Frick who lost control in heat thirteen was not the cause of the stoppage! After such an incompetent performance, she should be disqualified from holding a referees licence ever again. Jim Lawrence (SCB)  should not go unpunished for any of this either, for it would have been him allocating her the match in the first place!

Allocations are done by Jim McGregor as far as I know, Jim Lawrence is the SCB Chairman only and as someone said watched the match live in person

[Arch Stanton]

2 hours ago, Arch Stanton said:

https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/p24_issue_33.pdf
 

These are the latest GSA’s. Not the final averages so if you’ve worked out what the final averages will be you’re far better at this than me so I’ll bow to your knowledge on this one. 

 

2 hours ago, ouch said:

011.2.1 Rising Stars
The criteria for Premiership Rising Stars is as follows: -
• The age limit for Rising Stars for the 2024 season onwards is 23 years of age on the 1st of January of that year
• The Rider must have a Premiership League average of 4.00 or
below

Nothing mentioned about any previous average. 

010.2.1
Updated MA’s will be calculated monthly on a maximum of a 20 meeting rolling basis on all eligible meetings from the 2024, 2023 and 2022 seasons, up to and including 23rd of the month, to become effective from the 1st of the following month.
 

There are meetings still to add to the GSA’s you’re using. 

 

43 minutes ago, SUPERACE said:

I think (I could be wrong here) but your averages will have meetings missing as they only include August up to and including 23rd.  The averages I have used are the season ending totals after Ipswich and Birmingham's last meetings on the 29th August. 

I did concede they weren’t the final averages, but the latest declaration is all we currently have to go on. As I say, if you’ve worked out what’s still to come on to those then fair play to you. 
 

All academic anyway as that won’t be the Ipswich team. 

[Hamish McRaker]

4 hours ago, Arch Stanton said:

 

I thought that Max Fricke and Sam Masters "stole the show" by their brilliant riding in heat 15, which won the match for Leicester

[Steve Irving]

2 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said:

I thought that Max Fricke and Sam Masters "stole the show" by their brilliant riding in heat 15, which won the match for Leicester

Then you’d be wrong wouldn’t you Hamish. Absolutely nobody has been talking about heat 15. The incompetent referee undoubtedly “stole the show” with her quite ridiculous decisions as evident by the last half dozen pages on this thread. 

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

4 hours ago, Hamish McRaker said:

Fricke lost control because he received a big lateral shove from the rider in gate one as they were about to enter bend one. This probably occurred because all four riders by this stage were aiming for more or less the same piece of track. Therefore what happened subsequently could not have been prevented by him and the decision to re-start the heat with all riders was correct.

Good afternoon Mr Turnbull - thanks for your contribution 

How is Christina today? Did she sleep well?

Must've been quite some experience being in the spotlight over the last 24 hours

[Big Al]

Has anyone disagreed with Becker's being excluded? No? How surprising! Going against the trend, that one seemed to be the right call, even though Kveck went into bend 3 like an old granny and probably deserved to end up on his backside. But the decisions "early doors" was cuckoo. Not sure about the Fricke one, but have to admit I was expecting him to go

[40-38]

3 minutes ago, Big Al said:

Has anyone disagreed with Becker's being excluded? No? How surprising! Going against the trend, that one seemed to be the right call, even though Kveck went into bend 3 like an old granny and probably deserved to end up on his backside. But the decisions "early doors" was cuckoo. Not sure about the Fricke one, but have to admit I was expecting him to go

We all thought Kvech should have gone standing mid bend 3/4. I can see that one 50/50 because there was a gap and Kvech was caught holding a poor position.

[ShanoXtra]

4 minutes ago, Big Al said:

Has anyone disagreed with Becker's being excluded? No? How surprising! Going against the trend, that one seemed to be the right call, even though Kveck went into bend 3 like an old granny and probably deserved to end up on his backside. But the decisions "early doors" was cuckoo. Not sure about the Fricke one, but have to admit I was expecting him to go

Kvech was ahead and turning into the corner. If hitting people off the track and the who falls get excluded then it’s fair game for dodgems in the final! 
if anything you should be grateful Brennan didn’t just bin it when he was out at the back on heat 15 and stay down for a re-run to give Ellis another chance. The way last night was going he may as well have. Pretty sure in Sheffield last season in the final the track was soaked as well

[Hamish McRaker]

48 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Good afternoon Mr Turnbull - thanks for your contribution 

How is Christina today? Did she sleep well?

Must've been quite some experience being in the spotlight over the last 24 hours

Have had a great day, thanks. 

Went out early and grabbed a couple of local neighbours'  cats and dogs and ate them for lunch. Real tasty. 

[Gavan]

Unfortunately with any fan base you get the fools that let down their club 

Many Leicester fans have been gracious in their victory and know they did get lucky  with the decisions and have accepted they were fortunate 

Then there is the odd few who think that they weren’t a bit lucky and the decisions were correct …. You will always get these people who can’t see anything apart from bias for their own team … Sheffield have more than most of these

As an Ipswich fan I’m proud of all of them this season

Well done to Leicester the 5-1 at Foxhall in heat 15 a huge factor and fair play to Fricke and Masters in heat 15 they stepped up when needed 

Good luck to Leicester hope they face Belle Vue in the final 

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, ShanoXtra said:

Kvech was ahead and turning into the corner. If hitting people off the track and the who falls get excluded then it’s fair game for dodgems in the final! 
if anything you should be grateful Brennan didn’t just bin it when he was out at the back on heat 15 and stay down for a re-run to give Ellis another chance. The way last night was going he may as well have. Pretty sure in Sheffield last season in the final the track was soaked as well

The way it was going, if Brennan had gone down, he might have been awarded the win..😁

[Cross Roads]

Just watched back the coverage from last night as was there. Being a lions fan chuffed to bits we progress to the final. Agree there was some poor ref decisions and I congratulate the witches  on a tough season considering the injury’s. Must say the Eurosport team need to rem x2 teams in the meeting maybe just me but little engagement with the lions all lpswich interviews and comments for majority of the time….

one final point please please please Leicester management get some lights on the starting gate above the advertising banner directly onto the gates unless on start line cannot see the riders. 8 lights 2 each gate… 

[Roger Jacobs]

23 minutes ago, Cross Roads said:

Just watched back the coverage from last night as was there. Being a lions fan chuffed to bits we progress to the final. Agree there was some poor ref decisions and I congratulate the witches  on a tough season considering the injury’s. Must say the Eurosport team need to rem x2 teams in the meeting maybe just me but little engagement with the lions all lpswich interviews and comments for majority of the time….

one final point please please please Leicester management get some lights on the starting gate above the advertising banner directly onto the gates unless on start line cannot see the riders. 8 lights 2 each gate… 

Contact them directly with that suggestion.

Also, please ask them to sort out the drainage - it's a purpose built track, so should be able to cope with downpours, rather than lose the inside line.

[Roger Jacobs]

7 hours ago, BryanUgest said:

No mention of Kingy sliding off on his own or Rew not using his noddle twice I see.  

Because that's speedway. Hawkins acknowledged that they threw points away.

Turnbull's awful refereeing made a huge difference.

[Roger Jacobs]

7 hours ago, Hamish McRaker said:

Fricke lost control because he received a big lateral shove from the rider in gate one as they were about to enter bend one. This probably occurred because all four riders by this stage were aiming for more or less the same piece of track. Therefore what happened subsequently could not have been prevented by him and the decision to re-start the heat with all riders was correct.

Incorrect.  It's clear form the Discovery+ coverage that Kvech didn't move, and Fricke was lifting before they go to the first turn.

[Gambo95]

Emil with 6 points from 6 rides tonight.

Obviously not fit.

[Roger Jacobs]

21 hours ago, 40-38 said:

I'm amazed how many people have been insinuating it's somehow Leicester's fault the ref is crap.

We gave Ipswich more than enough chances over 2 legs to put us away, we're probably the most generous side in the play offs!

I think it's clear that Ipswich generously gave away points to Leicester, affording the Lions several chances to win at a canter ... yet the Witches still managed to crawl to a last heat decider despite the referee.

[tellboy]

8 hours ago, 1 valve said:

The referee didn't steel the show. The riders made it. Shame on a promoter using such wording and showing a complete lack of professionalism. 

The ref most definitely did steel the show,with her complete lack of professionalism.

[szkocjasid]

7 hours ago, SUPERACE said:

Reading the wording on Rising Stars you could be right as its around the 2024 season and doesn't cover past seasons.  Common sense would mean a rider who has progressed out of the RS isn't allowed to drop back in it. My personal opinion is all riders 21 and under should be able to be a rising star no matter their average, and up to and including 23 on an average below 4 (moving our of the scheme for good once this average is achieved). 

Happy enough with your U21 suggestion, question - if Lambert & Bewley were "rising stars" at 20 years old, would you have them riding at reserve or on the heat leader positions their averages dictated?

Re, riders not being allowed to return to the RS scheme once they've "graduated" if a rider gets 3 3.90 ave one season, 3.80 the next, 3.70 after that, do they really deserve to be a "rising star" over someone who averaged 3.98 then 4.02, then 3.98 again?