Oxford v Poole v Oxford; Weds 25th and Fri 27th Sept

[Tim G]

10 hours ago, Bojangles said:

Firstly congratulations to Poole. They were the class act of the league throughout the season, and worthy winners. Another masterclass in team building.

A lot has been made of Peter Schroeck's poor decision in the first leg, but an arguably even bigger blunder was not finding a suitable guest for Atkins/Roynon. Relying on Jody Scott was an awful decision, I don't think he beat an opposing rider over the two legs (bar Thomsen when he had bike issues). I like the lad and he's going to improve, but he's just not Championship level yet. Surely a decent guest wouldn't have been too hard to find for a final? Oxford had Paul Starke at Poole in the league and someone like him taking six rides instead of Scott could have been the difference. Poor effort from Schroeck in my opinion. He has had an absolute stinker in this final.

Anyway, congratulations to Poole again. On to the KO Cup now.

Spot on, failing to replace Atkins when I think we had 5 points to play with is what has cost Oxford in the end.

[Arthur54]

18 minutes ago, Starman2006 said:

Anybody seen or heard from Trackprat ? 😆😆😁

He left with the Oxford fans glug glug glug 

Edited October 10, 2024 by Arthur54

[Steve Shovlar]

Many of us commented on the faux pas the Oxford manager made in heat 12 of the first leg at Cowley, where Boughen was left in the heat when he should have been replaced by Killeen.

Sometimes mistakes happen and switches are missed. But surely, the senior members of the Oxford team, Nicholls or Masters, could have pointed out the tactical error to Peter Schroeck, making the suggestion of a reserve change?

Or are riders oblivious to such moves and only concentrating on their own rides?

[SteveLyric2]

56 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Probably in a darkened room!

....with padded walls!

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

2 hours ago, Toady said:

Noun

journeyman (plural journeymen)

1. A tradesman who has served an apprenticeship and is employed by a master tradesman
2. A competent but undistinguished tradesman, especially one who works, and is paid by the day.
3. (Sports)A player who plays on many different teams during the course of his career 

Yes, a journeyman because that's  what he was.His ability was questioned by somebody else not me.

The point is Ashton has only just started his career and is still very much a novice so to compare him Kasprazak is ludicrous.

 

 

If you know anything about speedway then you will know kasprazak wasn’t/isn’t known as a journeyman, he is known for being a very non dependable rider who when in the mood can beat the best but when he isn’t he goes missing and doesn’t race often frustrating fans, this is what boughen does, last night he was brilliant in one race beating Lawson using the fence then in other 3 rides shuts off and is nowhere and it’s the shutting off that is the concern, that is the trait of someone who doesn’t want to be in that situation, he is making good gates then shutting off,his shutting off caused the crash with cook, can’t see why this needs explaining to you but there you go 

Edited October 10, 2024 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[foreverblue]

4 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

If you know anything about speedway then you will know kasprazak wasn’t/isn’t known as a journeyman, he is known for being a very non dependable rider who when in the mood can beat the best but when he isn’t he goes missing and doesn’t race often frustrating fans, this is what boughen does, last night he was brilliant in one race beating Lawson using the fence then in other 3 rides shuts off and is nowhere, his shutting off caused the crash with cook, can’t see why this needs explaining to you but there you go 

He also tried to come round the outside when on gate 4 in his last ride but Thomsen was already there, when that didnt work he gave up.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

2 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

He also tried to come round the outside when on gate 4 in his last ride but Thomsen was already there, when that didnt work he gave up.

And in that race he looking across as soon as he left the start seeing where the others are, Thompsen left a bit of room not a lot but some but boughen had already decided not to go for it, he does look a natural on a bike when in infront but it’s clear for everyone to see he is shutting off going into first bends even at Oxford and he has got to get over that 

[Youhave2minutes]

1 hour ago, Arthur54 said:

He left with the Oxford fans glug glug glug 

In Poole bay🤣

[Youhave2minutes]

16 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

If you know anything about speedway then you will know kasprazak wasn’t/isn’t known as a journeyman, he is known for being a very non dependable rider who when in the mood can beat the best but when he isn’t he goes missing and doesn’t race often frustrating fans, this is what boughen does, last night he was brilliant in one race beating Lawson using the fence then in other 3 rides shuts off and is nowhere and it’s the shutting off that is the concern, that is the trait of someone who doesn’t want to be in that situation, he is making good gates then shutting off,his shutting off caused the crash with cook, can’t see why this needs explaining to you but there you go 

Spot on explanation 

[Toady]

7 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

If you know anything about speedway then you will know kasprazak wasn’t/isn’t known as a journeyman, he is known for being a very non dependable rider who when in the mood can beat the best but when he isn’t he goes missing and doesn’t race often frustrating fans, this is what boughen does, last night he was brilliant in one race beating Lawson using the fence then in other 3 rides shuts off and is nowhere and it’s the shutting off that is the concern, that is the trait of someone who doesn’t want to be in that situation, he is making good gates then shutting off,his shutting off caused the crash with cook, can’t see why this needs explaining to you but there you go 

Kasprazak rode for many many clubs throughout his career in the uk making him a journeyman as I said.

If you know anything about speedway then will realise that Boughen is very young and only just started riding speedway so just like everyone he has to learn his craft and needs encouragement not criticism.

 

 

[Youhave2minutes]

1 minute ago, Toady said:

Kasprazak rode for many many clubs throughout his career in the uk making him a journeyman as I said.

If you know anything about speedway then will realise that Boughen is very young and only just started riding speedway so just like everyone he has to learn his craft and needs encouragement not criticism.

 

 

Agree, but I and you know, you don’t shut off especially going into first bend when everybody is going for it.

[foreverblue]

47 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Many of us commented on the faux pas the Oxford manager made in heat 12 of the first leg at Cowley, where Boughen was left in the heat when he should have been replaced by Killeen.

Sometimes mistakes happen and switches are missed. But surely, the senior members of the Oxford team, Nicholls or Masters, could have pointed out the tactical error to Peter Schroeck, making the suggestion of a reserve change?

Or are riders oblivious to such moves and only concentrating on their own rides?

I dont think riders are aware, often when interviewed they dont even know the score,you would have thought the captain of the team would be keeping an eye on these things but the fault lies with the manager.

I hear you ask would Middlo ever make such a mistake, of course not, I used to worry that Havvy would but never Middlo. 

[foreverblue]

6 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

And in that race he looking across as soon as he left the start seeing where the others are, Thompsen left a bit of room not a lot but some but boughen had already decided not to go for it, he does look a natural on a bike when in infront but it’s clear for everyone to see he is shutting off going into first bends even at Oxford and he has got to get over that 

Earlier in the year he seemed more confident, a bit like Hagon.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

24 minutes ago, Toady said:

Kasprazak rode for many many clubs throughout his career in the uk making him a journeyman as I said.

If you know anything about speedway then will realise that Boughen is very young and only just started riding speedway so just like everyone he has to learn his craft and needs encouragement not criticism.

 

 

Don’t think you understand the mental aspect of speedway, young or old he has the ability and the speed but shutting off is different to coming last, he doesn’t like riders around him and it’s clear to see, will he get over that ?Well it’s retired many top riders in the past when they don’t want to mix it, I’m not criticising the guy, I’m just pointing out he has an issue it’s up to him how he remedies it 

Edited October 10, 2024 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

11 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Earlier in the year he seemed more confident, a bit like Hagon.

But the difference is Hagon isn’t shutting off, as I posted elsewhere there is a difference between losing and shutting off, every rider sufferers a confidence loss at some point in their career but this usually results in trying harder, getting frustrated, trying different things and blaming everyone else but yourself but never shutting off 

[Trackrat]

1 hour ago, Starman2006 said:

Anybody seen or heard from Trackprat ? 😆😆😁

I don't understand the dumb Paul fans. They cry when i'm on here to get me banned then when i don't come on here the childish name calling starts again. Strange inbred people.

[WembleyLion]

1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Many of us commented on the faux pas the Oxford manager made in heat 12 of the first leg at Cowley, where Boughen was left in the heat when he should have been replaced by Killeen.

Sometimes mistakes happen and switches are missed. But surely, the senior members of the Oxford team, Nicholls or Masters, could have pointed out the tactical error to Peter Schroeck, making the suggestion of a reserve change?

Or are riders oblivious to such moves and only concentrating on their own rides?

From my own experience of being in the pits with riders most are naturally focused on doing their own rides and one thing I have discovered when helping riders is how the time between races seems to pass a lot quicker in the pits than it does on the terraces. 
I doubt many riders would be fully in tune with potential tactical issues during the meeting.

[Trackrat]

2 hours ago, Starman2006 said:

Anybody seen or heard from Trackprat ? 😆😆😁

Not gone anywhere brain man. Just enjoy your victory & carry on being a Weasel in the bushes.

[Steve Shovlar]

59 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Don’t think you understand the mental aspect of speedway, young or old he has the ability and the speed but shutting off is different to coming last, he doesn’t like riders around him and it’s clear to see, will he get over that ?Well it’s retired many top riders in the past when they don’t want to mix it, I’m not criticising the guy, I’m just pointing out he has an issue it’s up to him how he remedies it 

Quite a few years back now, there was a young rider by the name of Justin Elkins. He was very fast. After meetings he took to the track and recorded times similar to the meeting. A best of three race against another young rider was organised and young Justin beat Jason Crump. in the match races. One went on to become World Champion, while the other faded in obscurity within a few seasons. 
 

Just like Ashton Boughen, Justin Elkins didn’t like riders around him and ended up trying to cover it up by having false EF’s etc. He had the ability but couldn’t get over the closeness of other riders. I remember going to Monmore and Elkins was riding at number two for Poole. In heat one he gated and held off an almost unbeatable Ronnie Corey for four laps. We were gobsmacked. I think that was the highlight in his career. 

[szkocjasid]

2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Many of us commented on the faux pas the Oxford manager made in heat 12 of the first leg at Cowley, where Boughen was left in the heat when he should have been replaced by Killeen.

Sometimes mistakes happen and switches are missed. But surely, the senior members of the Oxford team, Nicholls or Masters, could have pointed out the tactical error to Peter Schroeck, making the suggestion of a reserve change?

Or are riders oblivious to such moves and only concentrating on their own rides?

Lets be honest if Peter Schroeck needed to be told / reminded to bring in a high scoring Luke Killeen into heat 12, then he shouldn't be a team manager. If I was the Oxford promotion, I would've sacked him on the spot.

Maybe he's good with motivation, ot working with the kids, then fine - let him do that. But keep him away from any tactical decisions.