IainB Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 31 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: Or unluckiest ? The old system meant that 1 mechanical failure in a heat virtually ruined a rider's chances of winning a GP. The 'qualifying' process means they can still make the final. You could argue that having top notch machinery is part of being an excellent Speedway rider and not unlucky at all. It's no coincidence that you often see the same riders with mechanical issues 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 2 hours ago, DaveWayne said: I don't understand why you think it is farcical. For those finishing in the top 10, the heats are simply a qualifying process for the LCQs and the Final. These races then define the finishing positions and the points awarded to each rider. It may not be correct in your eyes, or anyone else who thinks the pre-2020 system should still be used, but it isn't farcical. It's no different to the playoff process that decides league champions, where the season long matches are 'qualifiers' and the winners could be any of the top 4. BriSCA F1 stock cars used to award the National Points Championship (and the right to wear the coveted silver roof for a year) to the driver scoring the most points over the whole season. But now, the title is awarded to the winner of a 12 round shootout in the last couple of months of the season, contested by the top 16 drivers at the cut off point. NASCAR in America also use an end of season shootout which means any of the top 16 at the cut off can be declared champion. These changes have been made to increase entertainment levels and public interest. They may seem incorrect to some, but farcical is just an opinion. It’s is just my opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, IainB said: You could argue that having top notch machinery is part of being an excellent Speedway rider and not unlucky at all. It's no coincidence that you often see the same riders with mechanical issues Ah, the days of Dave Jessup! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 2 hours ago, IainB said: You could argue that having top notch machinery is part of being an excellent Speedway rider and not unlucky at all. It's no coincidence that you often see the same riders with mechanical issues McLaren are currently the best team in F1 GP by far. Norris had an engine failure the other week. It's motorsport and mechanical failures will happen no matter who you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, norbold said: Ah, the days of Dave Jessup! I once brought an engine off Dave jessup when he was running shorne speed, it was fast but when I pulled it apart to service it every part was lightened to within an inch of its life, even the bolts were drilled through the center, to be fair nothing broke but I did change a lot of the parts to standard stuff, but if he was doing this in his racing career you can understand why he broke down so often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I once brought an engine off Dave jessup when he was running shorne speed, it was fast but when I pulled it apart to service it every part was lightened to within an inch of its life, even the bolts were drilled through the center, to be fair nothing broke but I did change a lot of the parts to standard stuff, but if he was doing this in his racing career you can understand why he broke down so often I remember in the 70's Colin Goad not the exactly what you would call "svelte " ( at Elle Port) drilled every part of his bike ,it looked more like a Meccano model . Graham Drury father looked at it and said to him "would you not be better to eat a few less pies " everyone just burst out laughing including Colin . Edited September 15 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I once brought an engine off Dave jessup when he was running shorne speed, it was fast but when I pulled it apart to service it every part was lightened to within an inch of its life, even the bolts were drilled through the center, to be fair nothing broke but I did change a lot of the parts to standard stuff, but if he was doing this in his racing career you can understand why he broke down so often I think DJs most famous failure was nothing to do with the engine but a cycle part - who knows if he'd done anything to that though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: I think DJs most famous failure was nothing to do with the engine but a cycle part - who knows if he'd done anything to that though! It was a jubilee clip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 6 hours ago, norbold said: Ah, the days of Dave Jessup! Poor old Dave. Just think under the new system, he could have been a two time world champion!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusky Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 5 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I once brought an engine off Dave jessup when he was running shorne speed, it was fast but when I pulled it apart to service it every part was lightened to within an inch of its life, even the bolts were drilled through the center, to be fair nothing broke but I did change a lot of the parts to standard stuff, but if he was doing this in his racing career you can understand why he broke down so often Not just his engine's Dean, every single part of his bike, engine plates, clutch lever, clutch arm, rims, seat brackets, exhaust clamps, steel shoe, - you name it, it had holes in it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 5 hours ago, DaveWayne said: McLaren are currently the best team in F1 GP by far. Norris had an engine failure the other week. It's motorsport and mechanical failures will happen no matter who you are. As happened to Kurtz in the Czech GP. A snapped chain is part and parcel of motorsport. Those that say it cost him the chance of being world champion are being naive. How many riders have missed out on becoming world champion due to a bit of bad luck along the way!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 10 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I once brought an engine off Dave jessup when he was running shorne speed, it was fast but when I pulled it apart to service it every part was lightened to within an inch of its life, even the bolts were drilled through the center, to be fair nothing broke but I did change a lot of the parts to standard stuff, but if he was doing this in his racing career you can understand why he broke down so often Mind you, back in the day, Freddie Mockford used to employ a member of staff specially to go out after Tom Farndon's races to pick up the bits that fallen off his bike during the race! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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