Ipswich v Birmingham 24th April

[ArchiePelago]

11 hours ago, ouch said:

Fair play to Dan T and an Ace display from Tom. Emil & Jason were always going to bail as they have no alliance to Ipswich or Billy being megabucks hired hands. 

Really pleased with another ££££ big witches win, as are the Ipswich “faithful”.

Nobody from the Witches 'bailed'. There was a clear qualification...points scored (incl bonus) in meeting before nominated heat 15. Ipswich riders complied but Brummies top 3 did not.

[Aries]

Anyone criticising Rew btw is unfair. He’s been suffering from food poisoning and anyone that has had that, knows it can affect you for a while. Looked as white as sheet last night. 

[bigcatdiary]

2 minutes ago, Aries said:

And another one. You’ve completely made that up haven’t you? 

I’ve seen some clueless sh!t posts on here over the years but this takes the biscuit. You’re doing Chris Louis a horrible disservice. He was an excellent racer and mixed it with the best of them. 

To be fair Chris Louis was an above average trapper who more often than not made the gate although he did mix it on the first bends, his trapping was much better than his passing whilst Loram was the opposite.

Trees is spot on with regards to a lot of riders who don’t make a decent effort in trying to pass the opposition if they miss the gate and unfortunately most of the tracks don’t make it easy for racers to show off their passing skills.

If we’re being totally honest neither Saddlebow or Foxhall are particularly good overtaking tracks although I acknowledge that steps have been taken to improve Foxhall.

[Bald Bloke]

3 hours ago, 89buttons said:

Kings Lynn bank holiday afternoon meeting will be the closest so far this season at Foxhall i would guess, afternoon slick track meeting at Foxhall usually hammer the home track advantage somewhat and lends to away gaters

I'm not to sure about that .  We have scored 66 points from our 2 away league meeting so far.

4 heat wins in 30 heats.. Lawson 2, Harris 1, Cook 1, are our heat winners.

Kvech has had two 2nd's , two 3rd's and 4 lasts, in his 8 heats.

Klindt has scored 6 points in 7 rides on the road.

I know it's only 2 meetings, but it's not been a good start away from the AFA.

 

[marko]

Tried twice to buy the stream yesterday but BSN wouldn’t accept my payment, bank said it’s nothing their end, BSN didn’t bother to reply to my enquiry so I guess they don’t want my money.

Disappointed to read that even riders like Tobias were not up to much, he is normally excellent value on these small tracks.

I think Ipswich could be on course for one of the best seasons ever seen in the top flight, competing with the Oxfords and Cradleys of the 80s

Edited 9 hours ago by marko
Mistake with riders name

[Bagpuss]

Not really sure what's going on with Museilak. Confidence or effort I'd imagine but he's a shadow of the rider for Sheffieid a couple of years ago.

[Aries]

10 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said:

To be fair Chris Louis was an above average trapper who more often than not made the gate although he did mix it on the first bends, his trapping was much better than his passing whilst Loram was the opposite.

Trees is spot on with regards to a lot of riders who don’t make a decent effort in trying to pass the opposition if they miss the gate and unfortunately most of the tracks don’t make it easy for racers to show off their passing skills.

If we’re being totally honest neither Saddlebow or Foxhall are particularly good overtaking tracks although I acknowledge that steps have been taken to improve Foxhall.

I think Louis was decent trapper, nothing more or less. Certainly wouldn’t put him in the same group as the likes of Wiltshire and other renowned trappers. Chris Louis was an excellent racer and to say otherwise is just wrong. 
 

On the track, I’m not sure what’s going on there. A lot of work has gone on again this winter to improve the baking and you can visible see the difference when standing on the terraces than it maybe shows on the TV. But the outside line is now being used LESS that it was before, what’s that all about? Every rider is choosing the same one inside line and a visible dry slick inside line is appearing after heat 1. Emil made one of his trademark stinker gates, and wouldn’t move off the inside line. I was getting a bit frustrated with him tbh because there was a dark outside line with plenty of material on it crying out for him or someone else to go out there but nobody would touch it. 
 

I also noticed something with Emil last night that I haven’t noticed before. When behind, whenever he got close to riders in front of him he was shutting off and losing ground. Has he been told not to take any risks here after what happened last season? We’ve seen Emil come from the back in exciting style numerous times at Foxhall the last couple of seasons, but this year he’s sat behind opposition reserves and looked lost and not threatened a pass..

[ShanoXtra]

Just to give the official statement and not just peoples guesses:

 

Sayfutdinov was level on 8+1 but was suffering with bike issues on the night, whilst Doyle on 8+1 was put out in heat 15 instead, meaning Thompson got the nod. With Rew and Jeppesen suffering from illness and Jepsen Jensen absent, Birmingham put out Hume (3), Vuolas (2+1), Musielak (2) and Edwards (2).

 

I've been to every home match this season and the crowd level was definitely lower, although remember this was streamed on BSN. People may wish to pay £12 so the family can watch it instead of, for example, x4 tickets at the stadium.

Kings Lynn bank holiday will show if the Witches fans are getting bored or not, but I believe it will be packed as its a day out and local Derby!

[ShanoXtra]

18 minutes ago, Aries said:

I think Louis was decent trapper, nothing more or less. Certainly wouldn’t put him in the same group as the likes of Wiltshire and other renowned trappers. Chris Louis was an excellent racer and to say otherwise is just wrong. 
 

On the track, I’m not sure what’s going on there. A lot of work has gone on again this winter to improve the baking and you can visible see the difference when standing on the terraces than it maybe shows on the TV. But the outside line is now being used LESS that it was before, what’s that all about? Every rider is choosing the same one inside line and a visible dry slick inside line is appearing after heat 1. Emil made one of his trademark stinker gates, and wouldn’t move off the inside line. I was getting a bit frustrated with him tbh because there was a dark outside line with plenty of material on it crying out for him or someone else to go out there but nobody would touch it. 
 

I also noticed something with Emil last night that I haven’t noticed before. When behind, whenever he got close to riders in front of him he was shutting off and losing ground. Has he been told not to take any risks here after what happened last season? We’ve seen Emil come from the back in exciting style numerous times at Foxhall the last couple of seasons, but this year he’s sat behind opposition reserves and looked lost and not threatened a pass..

I saw this with my Dad when he came last in heat 4 against Edwards. He could have dive bombed the first bend twice but shut off, I don't think he would have been told to ride safely, I think he just knows that we were 15-3 up at the time and the risk / reward wasn't worth it. If we were behind he would have made a move I think.

[ouch]

3 hours ago, JamesB said:

Which part of Gavan’s post stating that ‘they did not qualify’ was too difficult to understand?

The Presenter made it clear about two thirds of the way through the main meeting that the qualifying criteria was total points inclusive of bonus points.

So, all the qualifying Witches took part but not the qualifying Brummies. I am sure that you will re-directing your ire and criticism imminently.

I don’t see their posts as they are blocked and I wasn’t at the meeting to hear the goalposts being moved. I believed this when I read it “there will be a ‘Champion of the Evening’ second half featuring the top scorers from both teams.” Also Jason was top scorer for the witches with or without bonus points. 

[Bash]

It looked to me that he was lacking power and didn't have the normal speed to pass. When he got back to the pit gate instead of stopping the engine they did a bit of work. As earlier stated it was said that Emil was suffering bike issues so think it was down to this.

[Bash]

3 minutes ago, ouch said:

I don’t see their posts as they are blocked and I wasn’t at the meeting to hear the goalposts being moved. I believed this when I read it “there will be a ‘Champion of the Evening’ second half featuring the top scorers from both teams.” Also Jason was top scorer for the witches with or without bonus points. 

What part of heat 15 not counting to the riders scores do you not get, so Jason only scored 8+1 for the Billy Saunders qualifying so was not top scorer for this part of the meeting. Go and crawl back under your bridge. 

[FishersGate]

1 hour ago, Gert Handbag said:

At least they have management who are prepared to lose thousands a year in order to give the speedway fans of the West Midlands a product. Those of us who used to follow Cradley, Coventry and Wolves can only dream of having a team riding in our name who are so crap that they lose every week to a teams that have 2 GP stars in their team.

Next year in all likelihood the Brummies will be gone as well. No teams left  in what used to be the heartbeat of British speedway.

You should be careful what you wish for - it could be your team next.

Careful what I wish for? What am I wishing for exactly? 

[GeneralMelchett]

1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

Not really sure what's going on with Museilak. Confidence or effort I'd imagine but he's a shadow of the rider for Sheffieid a couple of years ago.

Gating is an issue - he looked better in the later stages of the meeting, in his 2nd ride he was challenging to get past and pulled a big locker on the third / fourth bend on lap 1 and fell off.

At Sheffield the other week his gating was bad and he wasnt able to get back positions, he didnt come across as racing - we all now Tobi likes to throw the bike about and he does hang off the machien at times - I saw a bit of the last night but not st Sheffield from memoery.

Edited 12 hours ago by GeneralMelchett

[89buttons]

1 hour ago, Bald Bloke said:

I'm not to sure about that .  We have scored 66 points from our 2 away league meeting so far.

4 heat wins in 30 heats.. Lawson 2, Harris 1, Cook 1, are our heat winners.

Kvech has had two 2nd's , two 3rd's and 4 lasts, in his 8 heats.

Klindt has scored 6 points in 7 rides on the road.

I know it's only 2 meetings, but it's not been a good start away from the AFA.

 

You only need to get 31 points to be the closest meeting at Foxhall so far…😅

I still think the witches will have more than enough however I’ve stood on the terraces for many slick dusty afternoon bank holiday meetings over the years and watched normally lesser away riders enjoy the conditions and beat our boys, seem to remember palm-toft being a particularly good one meeting when rarely being great at Foxhall!

klindt and Lawson can both be pretty handy round Foxhall - particularly when it’s slick and they historically can both trap, Kvech was pretty good at Foxhall last year, I think KL will be good for 31+ points to support my original statement of “the closest an away team has run us so far”

[GeneralMelchett]

3 minutes ago, 89buttons said:

You only need to get 31 points to be the closest meeting at Foxhall so far…😅

I still think the witches will have more than enough however I’ve stood on the terraces for many slick dusty afternoon bank holiday meetings over the years and watched normally lesser away riders enjoy the conditions and beat our boys, seem to remember palm-toft being a particularly good one meeting when rarely being great at Foxhall!

klindt and Lawson can both be pretty handy round Foxhall - particularly when it’s slick and they historically can both trap, Kvech was pretty good at Foxhall last year, I think KL will be good for 31+ points to support my original statement of “the closest an away team has run us so far”

Klindt scored a belting 15 the other year before his injury including one race knocking Danny King off! Seem to recall he beat Emil and that was the night he broke the track record?

[hammer1969]

To  change the subject I saw the Save Coventry Speedway Banner at Ipswich last night, mine and my other halves emails to Rugby Council are done.  Too many stadiums are being lost to Developers who are only interested in lining their pockets every bit of support the Save Coventry group can get will help.  There is a template on the Brandon Update in the News and Discussions section which is helpful and every email sent will help.  For the sceptical among you Oxford came back with enough support maybe Coventry can too.

Just to make this a legit Ipswich post I'm pleased Dan Thompson won last night I've watched him since his early practice days with his brother at Rye House (another lost stadium) on Sunday mornings and am pleased he's progressing well in the sport.

[RoundTheBoards]

13 hours ago, Gavan said:

To those people on here saying they expected Doyle and Emil to ride in the Billy Sanders they actually didn’t qualify … it was based on the programmed rides including bonus points King Ellis and Brennan got 10 and then Dan T and Emil 9 and Doyle 8

 

Think your maths is a bit wrong.

Going by Speedway Updates (Ignoring heat 15)

the Ippo top-scorers should have been:  King 10+1, Brennan 10, Ellis 8+2, and a toss of a coin between Doyle 8+1 and Sayfutdinov 8+1.

Brum should have been:  Jepsen Jensen 9, Jeppesen 5+1, Rew 5, Vuolas 2+1

 

So it looks like the pay rates couldn't have been too good as Doyle, Sayfutdinov, Jesper Jensen, Jeppesen and Rew all ducked it.

Fair play to Thompson, Musielak, Hume and Edwards for taking part.   I'd say it reflects worse on Doyle and Sayfutdinov for ducking out as it's their home club.   

[Roger Jacobs]

1 hour ago, marko said:

Tried twice to buy the stream yesterday but BSN wouldn’t accept my payment, bank said it’s nothing their end, BSN didn’t bother to reply to my enquiry so I guess they don’t want my money.

Disappointed to read that even riders like Tomasz were not up to much, he is normally excellent value on these small tracks.

I think Ipswich could be on course for one of the best seasons ever seen in the top flight, competing with the Oxfords and Cradleys of the 80s

... and the 1984 and 1998 Witches ...

[Bash]

7 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said:

Think your maths is a bit wrong.

Going by Speedway Updates (Ignoring heat 15)

the Ippo top-scorers should have been:  King 10+1, Brennan 10, Ellis 8+2, and a toss of a coin between Doyle 8+1 and Sayfutdinov 8+1.

Brum should have been:  Jepsen Jensen 9, Jeppesen 5+1, Rew 5, Vuolas 2+1

 

So it looks like the pay rates couldn't have been too good as Doyle, Sayfutdinov, Jesper Jensen, Jeppesen and Rew all ducked it.

Fair play to Thompson, Musielak, Hume and Edwards for taking part.   I'd say it reflects worse on Doyle and Sayfutdinov for ducking out as it's their home club.   

Rew only got 4 and Hume got 3, so would've been a choice between Hume & Vuolas for the last spot. Dan T got 7+2 so 9 in total same as Doyle & Emil. It's a bit like when you used to have heat 15 being the top scorers race, programmed rides with bonus points counted so someone like Dan T could be chosen as he scored the same.