Youhave2minutes Posted yesterday at 03:04 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 03:04 PM Despite some very attractive top riders now racing in Britain from the continent, I find the results of some matches very boring. we’ve got Sheffield, Ipswich Belle Vue and Leicester who will finish in the playoffs. Kings Lynn ,Oxford and Birmingham struggling against the top four receiving hammerings causing several boring matches when they meet, and don’t stand a chance to make the playoffs. Seems as though we only need the top four teams riding against one another so we witness close meetings. Such a boring top flight league. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted yesterday at 04:09 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 04:09 PM One team too many for me given the level of riders who wish to race over here... Two teams made up of KL, Oxford and Birmingham riders would both be competitive, and, even more so, if those two teams could get a couple of GP level riders each.. As it stands, teams are missing a No1 and a No5, instead they are being made up of No3's, and even Second strings, riding in the HL positions.... Even if they had 3 x No3's they would be more competitive... The league shouldn't be diluted though as that will just drive fans away.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted yesterday at 04:30 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 04:30 PM Perhaps the four strongest teams should join the Polish league and then you get weekend racing and good crowds ‘and then I woke up’ All the teams have a limit to build to but not all are either in a position or willing to pay what it costs for some of the top riders. Yes risks exist in signing them such as the Polish team pulling the plug but to use a draft system as has been mentioned elsewhere to solve the imbalance will not work. Those strongest teams obviously have a reputation for paying for the riders services ‘on time’ and not holding back on what is due hence the riders will want to protect the revenue. If you were a rider you would do your homework and go with the club that will pay. After all how many would want to spend six to seven months travelling around Europe simply to race or as in some cases expected because it is mandatory (and when you think of the costs involved plus if you are in the GPs the cost increase horrendously), take a risk on someone defaulting on what you are due It is not just about being a crowd pleaser on the track it is about running a risky business with only once source of income. The U K is no longer the must go to market for the sport and you only have to look at the stadia in Poland on a Sunday for a top league match and ask yourself as a rider where would you rather race, Poland or the UK in drab stadiums and sparse crowds (by comparison to the Polish following) If it is two tier that is because of the failings of the governing body and promoters over many years to do what is right for the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted yesterday at 05:28 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 05:28 PM 1 hour ago, mikebv said: One team too many for me given the level of riders who wish to race over here... Two teams made up of KL, Oxford and Birmingham riders would both be competitive, and, even more so, if those two teams could get a couple of GP level riders each.. As it stands, teams are missing a No1 and a No5, instead they are being made up of No3's, and even Second strings, riding in the HL positions.... Even if they had 3 x No3's they would be more competitive... The league shouldn't be diluted though as that will just drive fans away.. An alternative to having less teams in the league could be 6 man teams, was 6 men in 1998 when the witches everything, happy memories as a wee nipper from that season, certainly not diminished product by having smaller sides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted yesterday at 06:36 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 06:36 PM 3 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said: Despite some very attractive top riders now racing in Britain from the continent, I find the results of some matches very boring. we’ve got Sheffield, Ipswich Belle Vue and Leicester who will finish in the playoffs. Kings Lynn ,Oxford and Birmingham struggling against the top four receiving hammerings causing several boring matches when they meet, and don’t stand a chance to make the playoffs. Seems as though we only need the top four teams riding against one another so we witness close meetings. Such a boring top flight league. And yet Birmingham are the only team so far to give Ipswich a good run for their money when they met at Perry Barr and if they just get musielak going would be a decent team, quite frankly I think you post is rubbish and while Ipswich and Sheffield are clear favourites I don’t believe the other 2 places are as clear cut as you are implying, belle vue are hot and miss on the road Oxford, Birmingham both have under performing stars in musielak and janowski and Tungate and if they can get them going to the standard they clearly are then the we will see different league table, to me kings Lynn and Leicester are performing to their potential, Birmingham and Oxford are not, that can change 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted yesterday at 06:57 PM Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 06:57 PM (edited) 23 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: And yet Birmingham are the only team so far to give Ipswich a good run for their money when they met at Perry Barr and if they just get musielak going would be a decent team, quite frankly I think you post is rubbish and while Ipswich and Sheffield are clear favourites I don’t believe the other 2 places are as clear cut as you are implying, belle vue are hot and miss on the road Oxford, Birmingham both have under performing stars in musielak and janowski and Tungate and if they can get them going to the standard they clearly are then the we will see different league table, to me kings Lynn and Leicester are performing to their potential, Birmingham and Oxford are not, that can change My post may sound rubbish to you, however I cannot see the top four teams going out of the playoffs unless injury steps in. Birmingham already in trouble with Zager and visa issues, which I find quite bizarre. Kings Lynn will struggle to get a replacement for the injured Cook. Yet Sheffield have lost Woffinden but have strengthened with 2 replacements and to me will not suffer like the other clubs. I still reckon the playoff position regarding the teams will be as I said. However we all know injuries can change all that but I’m not looking to the pessimistic side of things. Top guys in the league but vastly unbalanced sides. Edited yesterday at 06:59 PM by Youhave2minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted yesterday at 07:08 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:08 PM (edited) 11 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: My post may sound rubbish to you, however I cannot see the top four teams going out of the playoffs unless injury steps in. Birmingham already in trouble with Zager and visa issues, which I find quite bizarre. Kings Lynn will struggle to get a replacement for the injured Cook. Yet Sheffield have lost Woffinden but have strengthened with 2 replacements and to me will not suffer like the other clubs. I still reckon the playoff position regarding the teams will be as I said. However we all know injuries can change all that but I’m not looking to the pessimistic side of things. Top guys in the league but vastly unbalanced sides. They are not unbalanced sides, the difference is the performance of the stars in some teams, Birmingham on paper have a team to match any other team in the league but for whatever reason they are not performing and in MJJ arguably have the fastest rider in the world right now but although riding ok isn’t brilliant in the uk, Birmingham also have the top riding star in Edward’s but yet again for whatever reason isnt riding like the rider we know he is, muiselak is a no1 but is riding like a number 7, that’s not imbalance that’s form Edited yesterday at 07:09 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted yesterday at 07:48 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:48 PM (edited) There is too much of a disparity in HL strengths.. Within the 21 HL's there is simply to much of a gap... Cook was a decent No4 for the Aces and is now a No1... Tungate is (at best), a No3, (and only at certain tracks), yet rides at No1.... Ipswich have such a strong team because they have used the UK reduction brilliantly well, but also, more importantly, they have every rider in their team in precisely the correct position to match their capability in a league with top level world stars... Not many teams have ever had that to work with over the years, therefore, no surprise they are hammering teams, as "head to head" v their opponents, from one to seven, they have the better rider.. Seven teams of seven riders has meant too many second strings having to ride as HL's for the league to be competitive... Edited yesterday at 07:49 PM by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted yesterday at 08:01 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:01 PM Not a two tier Premiership imo, It's just the lower end clubs have HL's who are underperforming at the moment, Things will be a lot more competitive once they finally get dialled in imo. Tungate and Janowski are struggling for the Spires. Musielak is struggling for the Brummies. Kvech is struggling for the Stars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted yesterday at 08:07 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:07 PM 5 minutes ago, mikebv said: Not many teams have ever had that to work with over the years, therefore, no surprise they are hammering teams, as "head to head" v their opponents, from one to seven, they have the better rider.. No true, MJJ right now is a better rider than Doyle or sayfutinow. musielak, zagar, janowski are all world class performers and true to form better riders than king, Ellis or Brennan but for whatever reason they are not doing it and as good as Ipswich are, the fact remains if it wasn’t for the 2 reserves they would of lost at Birmingham, Jenkins scoring way above his level away from home was the difference and he isn’t as good as Edward’s on paper but out performed him, these big score lines are because of underperforming riders not because Ipswich or Sheffield are that good 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted yesterday at 08:37 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:37 PM 27 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: No true, MJJ right now is a better rider than Doyle or sayfutinow. musielak, zagar, janowski are all world class performers and true to form better riders than king, Ellis or Brennan but for whatever reason they are not doing it and as good as Ipswich are, the fact remains if it wasn’t for the 2 reserves they would of lost at Birmingham, Jenkins scoring way above his level away from home was the difference and he isn’t as good as Edward’s on paper but out performed him, these big score lines are because of underperforming riders not because Ipswich or Sheffield are that good What paper are you using for this? And why are you comparing heatleaders riding at 1 and 5 to second strings riding at 2,3 and 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 37 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: No true, MJJ right now is a better rider than Doyle or sayfutinow. musielak, zagar, janowski are all world class performers and true to form better riders than king, Ellis or Brennan but for whatever reason they are not doing it and as good as Ipswich are, the fact remains if it wasn’t for the 2 reserves they would of lost at Birmingham, Jenkins scoring way above his level away from home was the difference and he isn’t as good as Edward’s on paper but out performed him, these big score lines are because of underperforming riders not because Ipswich or Sheffield are that good Seems like you're stuck in 2015, rather than in the present. Musielak & Janowski are declining & Zagar is way way over the hill. These 3 are nowhere near "World Class." They can still have "World Class" moments but that's it, moments. They're absolutely no better than the 3 you compare then too, especially in England. What's the point in arguing that MJJ is better than Doyle & Sayfutdinov?? Can MJJ score 31 points a meeting for Birmingham?? The divide the the Premiership at the start of the season was huge. Sheffield losing Woffinden & their 2 changes has dragged them in now with Leicester & King's Lynn. A lose to any of the top 3 riders at Belle Vue & Ipswich will suck them down massively too. But it's absolutely certain that Birmingham & Oxford won't be close to the Play-Offs. Currently, the Premiership is this:- 1, Ipswich 2, Belle Vue 3, Sheffield 4, Leicester 5, King's Lynn 6, Oxford 7, Birmingham The gaps are that big from top to bottom, it's clear and obvious to (almost) everyone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago 5 hours ago, mikebv said: One team too many for me given the level of riders who wish to race over here... Two teams made up of KL, Oxford and Birmingham riders would both be competitive, and, even more so, if those two teams could get a couple of GP level riders each.. As it stands, teams are missing a No1 and a No5, instead they are being made up of No3's, and even Second strings, riding in the HL positions.... Even if they had 3 x No3's they would be more competitive... The league shouldn't be diluted though as that will just drive fans away.. Bloody hell,you sound like Robbie Savage 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: Seems like you're stuck in 2015, rather than in the present. Musielak & Janowski are declining & Zagar is way way over the hill. These 3 are nowhere near "World Class." They can still have "World Class" moments but that's it, moments. They're absolutely no better than the 3 you compare then too, especially in England. What's the point in arguing that MJJ is better than Doyle & Sayfutdinov?? Can MJJ score 31 points a meeting for Birmingham?? The divide the the Premiership at the start of the season was huge. Sheffield losing Woffinden & their 2 changes has dragged them in now with Leicester & King's Lynn. A lose to any of the top 3 riders at Belle Vue & Ipswich will suck them down massively too. But it's absolutely certain that Birmingham & Oxford won't be close to the Play-Offs. Currently, the Premiership is this:- 1, Ipswich 2, Belle Vue 3, Sheffield 4, Leicester 5, King's Lynn 6, Oxford 7, Birmingham The gaps are that big from top to bottom, it's clear and obvious to (almost) everyone. As you say currently and it is that way because certain stars are not performing not because there is an imbalance and I believe this may be down to air temperature and certain tuners struggle until the weather gets warmer, and for those who laugh at that statement then maybe you should go an ask certain riders why they can’t seem to get their engines to perform right,my point was about rider to rider with Mike saying Ipswich have better riders 1-7 and I said that’s not right because MJJ is currently a better than Doyle or sayfutinow or indeed anyone in the Ipswich line up, he is currently the fastest rider in the world and tonight in Poland again showcasing his form, people seem to forget that after get trounced by Leicester at home Birmingham went to Leicester and but for zagar have an EF on the start line of heat 13 would of come away with a win and have also come the closest to beating Ipswich this season and even when they had a rider missing and their no1 having a shocker still managed more than either belle vue or Oxford at Ipswich Edited 22 hours ago by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago For me, the top three are nailed on. The bottom two are sadly also nailed on. The most exciting battle appears to be between the Lions and Lynn for the play offs. The big guns have two GP level riders who can step up in heats 13 &15. The Lions have an out and out No.1, weak reserves and a balanced main team body in between. Lynn however have gone for the ultimate balance with six riders on 6+ averages. Neither team has the obvious fire power in the latter heats of matches, but I’m interested to see which team structure of the two is the most successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted 14 hours ago Report Share Posted 14 hours ago 15 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said: Despite some very attractive top riders now racing in Britain from the continent, I find the results of some matches very boring. we’ve got Sheffield, Ipswich Belle Vue and Leicester who will finish in the playoffs. Kings Lynn ,Oxford and Birmingham struggling against the top four receiving hammerings causing several boring matches when they meet, and don’t stand a chance to make the playoffs. Seems as though we only need the top four teams riding against one another so we witness close meetings. Such a boring top flight league. Disagree. The better meetings will be the “strugglers” at home to the top three. The hammerings will come from the top three at home, but the fans of the struggling teams will see the better meetings. The meetings that Ipswich have ridden away have been decent contests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 13 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Seems like you're stuck in 2015, rather than in the present. Musielak & Janowski are declining & Zagar is way way over the hill. These 3 are nowhere near "World Class." They can still have "World Class" moments but that's it, moments. They're absolutely no better than the 3 you compare then too, especially in England. What's the point in arguing that MJJ is better than Doyle & Sayfutdinov?? Can MJJ score 31 points a meeting for Birmingham?? The divide the the Premiership at the start of the season was huge. Sheffield losing Woffinden & their 2 changes has dragged them in now with Leicester & King's Lynn. A lose to any of the top 3 riders at Belle Vue & Ipswich will suck them down massively too. But it's absolutely certain that Birmingham & Oxford won't be close to the Play-Offs. Currently, the Premiership is this:- 1, Ipswich 2, Belle Vue 3, Sheffield 4, Leicester 5, King's Lynn 6, Oxford 7, Birmingham The gaps are that big from top to bottom, it's clear and obvious to (almost) everyone. You think Belle Vue are better than Sheffield? Might need to have your head a wobble there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 15 hours ago, TTT said: Not a two tier Premiership imo, It's just the lower end clubs have HL's who are underperforming at the moment, Things will be a lot more competitive once they finally get dialled in imo. Tungate and Janowski are struggling for the Spires. Musielak is struggling for the Brummies. Kvech is struggling for the Stars. Do you think it’s struggling or just a chosen mindset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, Gavan said: You think Belle Vue are better than Sheffield? Might need to have your head a wobble there I think all things being equal BV will finish above Sheffield. I'm expecting an Ippo v BV final. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 2 hours ago, Gavan said: You think Belle Vue are better than Sheffield? With Sheffield's changes, absolutely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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