THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Saturday at 03:41 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 03:41 PM 1 hour ago, bellevueace said: I suppose the authorities are so desperate for tv coverage they sell themselves short. Possibly but we/speedway have the product and in the grand scheme of things yes it’s not exactly a the greatest product in the world but it’s a product and it does have a market and discovery know this otherwise they wouldn’t bother and if we could negotiate a deal that was at least a couple of million which is still peanuts compared to other sports then we wouldn’t be in the dire financial mess we are now, we are in charge but if you have ever tried to deal with the SCB you can’t even get a call back from them, the appointment of Phil morris is a good one regarding what happens at a track but it looks like he is again is Peter butterworth character in carry on camping doing everything and that isn’t how it is meant to work and it won’t work, many who have tried and many more who will try in the near future know you can’t change the sport from the inside the SCB walls are made of strong stuff and protected by a layer of self interest, just as a side note what happened to the 5 million sky gave speedway back when they started to show speedway ? Well it wasn’t invested in the sport let’s put it that way 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Saturday at 04:20 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 04:20 PM 36 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Possibly but we/speedway have the product and in the grand scheme of things yes it’s not exactly a the greatest product in the world but it’s a product and it does have a market and discovery know this otherwise they wouldn’t bother and if we could negotiate a deal that was at least a couple of million which is still peanuts compared to other sports then we wouldn’t be in the dire financial mess we are now, we are in charge but if you have ever tried to deal with the SCB you can’t even get a call back from them, the appointment of Phil morris is a good one regarding what happens at a track but it looks like he is again is Peter butterworth character in carry on camping doing everything and that isn’t how it is meant to work and it won’t work, many who have tried and many more who will try in the near future know you can’t change the sport from the inside the SCB walls are made of strong stuff and protected by a layer of self interest, just as a side note what happened to the 5 million sky gave speedway back when they started to show speedway ? Well it wasn’t invested in the sport let’s put it that way According to one promoter, a lot of it, "Paid for the No 1's"... Who, all promptly "foxtrot oscared" the minute the Sky money left the building... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted Saturday at 04:24 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 04:24 PM 6 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: They scaled back because of greed and complacency not because the were losing money ,Enjoy your speedway because sadly your short sightedness will be the end of speedway in the uk, good racing or not Discovery lost 7 figure sums in each of the years they ran Cardiff. There was neither greed nor complacency, just inexperience and, some might say, incompetence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted Saturday at 04:25 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 04:25 PM 5 hours ago, arnieg said: The racing was great as most of us anticipated, with the NSS living up to its status as Britain's no 1 racing track (personally I prefer Redcar and I know Worky has its advocates too) It appears there were issues yesterday, but these were logistical in nature, and can be solved relatively easily with some competent organisational input. [Something our sport is not overly blessed with] What is more difficult to resolve is making the GP series a more meaningful competition. We now have 20 heats of what are essentially exhibition races, followed by the three that matter. Having watched Freddy score 8pts and end up with 14pts. Same with Lambert scored 7pts ends up on 11. Then the other end of the spectrum. Fricke is joint top scorer with 12pts after everyone had had their five rides. He ends the night with one bad ride and gets 8pts. Its a farce. Is the reason to stop Zmarzlik running away with it? He's had two GP wins and a second out of five GPs, yet he is only 9pts ahead of Kurtz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Saturday at 04:32 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 04:32 PM (edited) 11 minutes ago, Wee Eck said: Discovery lost 7 figure sums in each of the years they ran Cardiff. There was neither greed nor complacency, just inexperience and, some might say, incompetence. Or very good accountants, when a company is that big inexperience or incompetence don’t not exist but is regularly used as an excuse to pull the wool over prying eyes, it is my belief that dropping Cardiff was planned a few years before they did,the plan is to get people glued to their TVs not watching live and if you look around it’s working not just in speedway Edited Saturday at 04:36 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Saturday at 04:43 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 04:43 PM 16 minutes ago, tyler42 said: Having watched Freddy score 8pts and end up with 14pts. Same with Lambert scored 7pts ends up on 11. Then the other end of the spectrum. Fricke is joint top scorer with 12pts after everyone had had their five rides. He ends the night with one bad ride and gets 8pts. Its a farce. Is the reason to stop Zmarzlik running away with it? He's had two GP wins and a second out of five GPs, yet he is only 9pts ahead of Kurtz! Can't imagine that would have anything to do with it. Otherwise they'd be better off saying every point counts as Zmarzlik always pulls it off in the semi finals, but can drop points in the heats (which no longer matters once he's made the final). If they really wanted him not to run away with it, they'd have given stronger wildcards places. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted Saturday at 04:47 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 04:47 PM Links for tonight : https://vk.com/video-220089063_456246753 https://vk.com/video-81427162_456239715 https://vk.com/video-53550004_456242244 And : http://video.ucoz.lv/index/live1/0-7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Saturday at 04:47 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 04:47 PM Anyone know what was the thinking behind FRI/SAT rather than SAT/SUN to run the GPs? Stadium availability? Because surely they know Friday is a hard day for a lot of people if they travelling distance, surely sat sun would of got a full crowd for both or did they just think it willl be sold out no matter when they run it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShoe Posted Saturday at 04:56 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 04:56 PM 7 hours ago, Odds On said: no idea promotion maybe or maybe just speedway in general in the UK??....can you explain why crowds were rapidly descending at Cardiff? Covid was a factor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShoe Posted Saturday at 04:59 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 04:59 PM 6 hours ago, Odds On said: why did they scale back because it was making a loss, why was it making a loss despite all the razzamatazz you so openly believe is much needed?...simple, the vast majority of the paying public who went were not entertained for the main reason in going in the first place...make the product entertaining and the rest is a bonus. The cost of assembly/ disassembly of the temp track coupled with lower crowds post covid probably swung it financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted Saturday at 05:13 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:13 PM 24 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Anyone know what was the thinking behind FRI/SAT rather than SAT/SUN to run the GPs? Stadium availability? Because surely they know Friday is a hard day for a lot of people if they travelling distance, surely sat sun would of got a full crowd for both or did they just think it willl be sold out no matter when they run it Avoids clashing with Kent v Plymouth 😜 Seriously I guess it's so they have Sunday as a reserved date for rain-offs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Saturday at 05:15 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:15 PM 42 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: it is my belief that dropping Cardiff was planned a few years before they did Don't forget Cardiff was on the calendar for this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Saturday at 05:20 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:20 PM (edited) 6 minutes ago, IainB said: Don't forget Cardiff was on the calendar for this year Because they hadn’t got an alternative in place Edited Saturday at 05:22 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted Saturday at 05:23 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:23 PM 2 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Because they hadn’t got an alternative in place hence Alexandra palace Think they may have struggled to squeeze a track in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Saturday at 05:27 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:27 PM I hope there is another John postlewhite out there with a vison for the GPs but if we are at BV for the long run how do we attract the missing 1000s to belle vue ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Saturday at 05:29 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:29 PM Merch anyone? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Saturday at 05:29 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:29 PM (edited) 7 minutes ago, nw42 said: Think they may have struggled to squeeze a track in there. It was going to be on top of athletics track, it was Alexander stadium not Alexandra palace sorry, got abit confused by name Edited Saturday at 05:32 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted Saturday at 05:33 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:33 PM 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Possibly but we/speedway have the product and in the grand scheme of things yes it’s not exactly a the greatest product in the world but it’s a product and it does have a market and discovery know this otherwise they wouldn’t bother and if we could negotiate a deal that was at least a couple of million which is still peanuts compared to other sports then we wouldn’t be in the dire financial mess we are now, we are in charge but if you have ever tried to deal with the SCB you can’t even get a call back from them, the appointment of Phil morris is a good one regarding what happens at a track but it looks like he is again is Peter butterworth character in carry on camping doing everything and that isn’t how it is meant to work and it won’t work, many who have tried and many more who will try in the near future know you can’t change the sport from the inside the SCB walls are made of strong stuff and protected by a layer of self interest, just as a side note what happened to the 5 million sky gave speedway back when they started to show speedway ? Well it wasn’t invested in the sport let’s put it that way Good post, its amazing how those in charge are so short sighted not to see they are going to actually destroy their own business, but back in the 70,s when crowds were large and teams numerous nothing was reinvested back into the sport. Just to think then Poland wasnt even on the speedway map in comparison to today, surely British speedway should look at their model and how they grew it, its probably gone too far here so no big business would come onboard as a main sponsor as speedway as nothing to offer and can you imagine councils here getting behind their local clubs with the backing they get over there, at least Manchester council got behind the stadium here or we wouldnt have a club let alone a GP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted Saturday at 05:33 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:33 PM 2 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: It was going to be on top of athletics track Ah right, you meant Alexander Stadium, no worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted Saturday at 05:34 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:34 PM 5 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I hope there is another John postlewhite out there with a vison for the GPs but if we are at BV for the long run how do we attract the missing 1000s to belle vue ? The "magician" would have sorted it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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