foreverblue Posted Tuesday at 12:10 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:10 PM 36 minutes ago, JamesB said: He was at least half a lap behind and he just stopped riding the fourth bend allowing the bike to gently roll in to the fence, jumping off it before it did so. He was not holding his shoulder as he walked back to the pits. Did he aggravate an old injury……maybe, we’ll never know but Heat 8 effectively won the meeting for the Stars. No I do not believe he did, he was not suffering from a physical injury before the meeting as far as I know. So Kings Lynn manipulated the situation so Kvech could ride in heat 8, Having said that Emil should still not run a last. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB723 Posted Tuesday at 12:17 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:17 PM 35 minutes ago, Bash said: What is the point of heat 8 being a protected heat if the stronger reserve can be brought in if the RS gets injured. The stronger reserve should start from 15m to stop this being manipulated. If the rising star did have a bad off and had to withdraw I don't think it's fair for the team already down a rider to be further punished. Personally though I think all teams should have either 2 rising stars or 0, would stop all this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted Tuesday at 12:36 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:36 PM 15 minutes ago, MB723 said: If the rising star did have a bad off and had to withdraw I don't think it's fair for the team already down a rider to be further punished. Personally though I think all teams should have either 2 rising stars or 0, would stop all this. I do. It’s unlucky yes, but the bad luck has to sit with the side that are missing said rider. There should be no situation here where a rising star (effectively a novice) can be replaced in his programmed rides by a Grand Prix rider. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted Tuesday at 12:36 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:36 PM 7 hours ago, LisaColette said: Might not be allowed to guest til he's ridden for Edinburgh? Palm Toft's Champ average is 7.80, so it's too high to replace Thompson (7.53 available with the 1.5 conversion). Palovaara still on an assessed average, so is ineligible. Worrall, Allen or the Kennedy's would fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted Tuesday at 12:42 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:42 PM 5 hours ago, Aries said: I don’t think that matters anymore. Someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but that average won’t be used. If a rider has a valid average in both, then the higher one is used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted Tuesday at 12:55 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:55 PM 5 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: With all the feeling of Groundhog Day with the injuries yet again, one thing has gone under the radar and that is the consistent form of Danny King. He’s already fully justified his selection and proven just how much that hand injury was holding him back last year. So pleased for him he’s one of the good guys is Danny. yes, great to see and he hass added to both his averages at Ipswich and Redcar this year - as well as the injury perhaps the pressure of not being a third h/l at Ipswich has helped too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted Tuesday at 12:56 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:56 PM A GP rider... replacing a rising star... in a protected heat... And you wonder why people think that UK speedway is a joke...😂 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted Tuesday at 01:00 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:00 PM 7 hours ago, StarBoy said: Palm Toft? About to get back on the saddle with Edinburgh so equipment should be decent. Surprised you guys didn’t use him yesterday…unless he wasn’t asked. Can’t imagine he would’ve declined the booking. If I recall correctly he’s always been half decent at Foxhall as well I would be tempted to go a bit under the limit by giving Gusts a go. Tobias Thomsen or Victor Palovaara would also be worth contacting to see if a deal can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted Tuesday at 01:07 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:07 PM (edited) 36 minutes ago, Aries said: I do. It’s unlucky yes, but the bad luck has to sit with the side that are missing said rider. There should be no situation here where a rising star (effectively a novice) can be replaced in his programmed rides by a Grand Prix rider. As I've already mentioned I think an easy solution would be to have a number eight on site. Jody Scott was there last night, wouldn't be difficult for every team to nominate somebody for each meeting to cover for their riding star. Not really on to protect a heat and then leave a loophole. Edited Tuesday at 01:13 PM by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted Tuesday at 01:10 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:10 PM 8 minutes ago, TTT said: I would be tempted to go a bit under the limit by giving Gusts a go. Tobias Thomsen or Victor Palovaara would also be worth contacting to see if a deal can be done. Tobias is keen but Palovaara isnt apparently as he does not want to do Premiership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted Tuesday at 01:20 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:20 PM 11 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: As I've already mentioned I think an easy solution would be to have a number eight on site. Jody Scott was there last night, wouldn't be difficult for every team to nominate somebody for each meeting to cover for their riding star. Not really on to protect a heat and then leave a loophole. Didn't all premiership teams name a number 8 a few seasons ago but that only lasted 1 season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted Tuesday at 01:21 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:21 PM 19 minutes ago, TTT said: I would be tempted to go a bit under the limit by giving Gusts a go. Tobias Thomsen or Victor Palovaara would also be worth contacting to see if a deal can be done. We have to try something. Danyon has always given 100% for the Witches over the years, but it’s obvious that he is not the answer (I do hope that he proves me wrong on Thursday!). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted Tuesday at 01:39 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:39 PM 18 minutes ago, Bash said: Didn't all premiership teams name a number 8 a few seasons ago but that only lasted 1 season Yep, 2022 possibly? Like most good ideas it got binned for some bizarre reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted Tuesday at 04:10 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 04:10 PM 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Yep, 2022 possibly? Like most good ideas it got binned for some bizarre reason. Because it was pointless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted Tuesday at 06:11 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:11 PM 5 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: Palm Toft's Champ average is 7.80, so it's too high to replace Thompson (7.53 available with the 1.5 conversion). Palovaara still on an assessed average, so is ineligible. Worrall, Allen or the Kennedy's would fit. Hasn't Palovaara been here before and achieved a MA? Or is it a different one? The fact he has been reassessed doesn't matter - wasn't that one used to previously allow Lambert to guest or has that loophole been closed now...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted Tuesday at 06:31 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:31 PM 2 hours ago, arnieg said: Because it was pointless? I think heat 8 last night proves that it wouldn't be pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbend Posted Tuesday at 06:36 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:36 PM 5 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: Palm Toft's Champ average is 7.80, so it's too high to replace Thompson (7.53 available with the 1.5 conversion). Palovaara still on an assessed average, so is ineligible. Worrall, Allen or the Kennedy's would fit. MPT final premier average for 2024 was 4.13 with Birmingham... surely that still stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted Tuesday at 06:46 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:46 PM 7 minutes ago, 2ndbend said: MPT final premier average for 2024 was 4.13 with Birmingham... surely that still stands. Aah - my bad - I misunderstood the Regs! You're correct, because it says: "If a rider has an established MA in both Premiership and Championship leagues the MA for the league for which the rider is guesting, will be used." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Tuesday at 07:16 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:16 PM (edited) 7 hours ago, MB723 said: If the rising star did have a bad off and had to withdraw I don't think it's fair for the team already down a rider to be further punished. Personally though I think all teams should have either 2 rising stars or 0, would stop all this. The RS's are, with all due respect, miles out of their depth generally, so shouldn't even be in the top tier.. It works in Poland due to their "juniors" being of a much higher standard at U24 level, with their tracks being a lot easier to ride due to their size, shape, and track prep... We see over here even top riders sometimes struggling to get around, so expecting young inexperienced lads to compete consistently against some of the worlds best is frankly ridiculous... Unless of course they are, on that rare occasion, "real talents" who don't need an RS position to deliver their career, as their talent will do it for them... They would have been better off with six man teams in the top league and saved a wage, or, if they didn't need to, given the six riders more... Replacing them with a "genuine" number 6 shouldn't be allowed.. Either have them and develop them by protecting all their races, or don't.. They shouldn't be used as tactical cannon fodder.. Edited Tuesday at 07:21 PM by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Tuesday at 11:37 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 11:37 PM 11 hours ago, Bash said: What is the point of heat 8 being a protected heat if the stronger reserve can be brought in if the RS gets injured. The stronger reserve should start from 15m to stop this being manipulated. 11 hours ago, MB723 said: If the rising star did have a bad off and had to withdraw I don't think it's fair for the team already down a rider to be further punished. Personally though I think all teams should have either 2 rising stars or 0, would stop all this. Missing a RS 99% of the time makes a team stronger, so having to use the other reserve off 15m just evens things up, not a "further punishment" imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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