Lions v Aces

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11 minutes ago, TTT said:

Janowski is more committed to British Speedway than Brady Kurtz.

Magic maybe scoring poorly for the Spires but it's not down to a lack of effort that's for sure, He still turns up every week and gives it 100% instead of not showing up at all.

Do you have a list of the league meetings Brady completed abroad whilst choosing to miss meetings in the UK?

Links would be good. 

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This thread is like so many others on BSF now. The regular “trolls” descend fairly early on looking for bites with factually incorrect posts solely aimed at causing trouble. Things then escalate as loyal fans rightly back their hero’s. The trolls get off on the interaction and ramp things up either repetitively or with more incredibly bogus posts. Polite attempts to drill down into their inaccurate theories are ignored. Correcting them with factual links usually leads to abuse. You then get faux disgust from them when fans have responded in the same vain as the original fishing post. And repeat.

All meaningful debate around the actual meeting is lost as are members on here by the week.

 

[Steve Irving]

57 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

Yeah. Very true. You can’t compare Doyle and Kurtz,

 

one has won us 2 league titles. 
 

the other won you naff all. 
 

so put that in your pipe and smoke it 

That really isn’t the flex you think it is. In fact, it’s embarrassing. You won last year for one reason and one reason only, the best team in the league by a country mile had their team ripped to shreds through injury. You simply became the Belle Vue vultures and picked over a dead carcass. That really isn’t anything to be proud of, Phil. If you’re a win at all costs type of person, don’t care how it’s done or how hollow a victory it is as long as you get your name on the trophy, then that’s up to you. I’m sure all you Belle Vue fans sat there getting a big stiffy with news of injuries once again filtering through from Ipswich way, dreaming of a repeat. The Belle Vue vultures once again circling their prey..

 

[SUPERACE]

12 hours ago, foreverblue said:

I said during in the war, most of your wins were actually between the wars and most of us dont remember them but the record wont be beaten.

Wrong unless world war 2 was 1970.  7 titles since 1971 that's 50% of our wins, now that's not most.  I'd say plenty remember the trio of Mauger, Collins and Morton. 

[Gavan]

Belle Vue unfortunately do have their weird little fans on here not all of them obviously 

Kurtz has one 2 league titles and Doyle hasn’t for Ipswich is a pathetic take …. Take more than 1 rider to win a league … or injuries to other teams 

I’m an Ipswich fan but it’s like me saying that Doyle isn’t a hard rider sometimes on the edge of dirty when quite clearly he is … I’m not so blinkered to see what’s in front of my eyes 

Fact is Kurtz has form for this and will do it again 

[Aries]

2 minutes ago, Gavan said:

Belle Vue unfortunately do have their weird little fans on here not all of them obviously 

Kurtz has one 2 league titles and Doyle hasn’t for Ipswich is a pathetic take …. Take more than 1 rider to win a league … or injuries to other teams 

I’m an Ipswich fan but it’s like me saying that Doyle isn’t a hard rider sometimes on the edge of dirty when quite clearly he is … I’m not so blinkered to see what’s in front of my eyes 

Fact is Kurtz has form for this and will do it again 

As I said, it’s a bit of a weird take. We’re talking about individual riders here, not clubs. 

[IainB]

1 hour ago, ouch said:

 

Do you have a list of the league meetings Brady completed abroad whilst choosing to miss meetings in the UK?

Links would be good. 

I don't know why you're just highlighting league meetings... well actually I'm pretty sure I do. But to answer your question, Kurtz clearly fit to continue riding last Saturday night, gave the club he's the inspirational captain of a miss on Thursday and turned up for the Zloty the very next night and scored a 12 point maximum. You're very selective (much like Kurtz) in the meetings you think Kurtz should and shouldn't be riding in, as a Belle Vue fan I find this difficult to fathom, maybe you're not a fan of Belle Vue or British Speedway? Just coming on here and calling everybody a troll who doesn't agree with you is not great.

Edited Saturday at 10:26 AM by IainB

[PhilTheAce]

52 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

That really isn’t the flex you think it is. In fact, it’s embarrassing. You won last year for one reason and one reason only, the best team in the league by a country mile had their team ripped to shreds through injury. You simply became the Belle Vue vultures and picked over a dead carcass. That really isn’t anything to be proud of, Phil. If you’re a win at all costs type of person, don’t care how it’s done or how hollow a victory it is as long as you get your name on the trophy, then that’s up to you. I’m sure all you Belle Vue fans sat there getting a big stiffy with news of injuries once again filtering through from Ipswich way, dreaming of a repeat. The Belle Vue vultures once again circling their prey..

 

And my stiffy is effing massive to. 

[TTT]

1 hour ago, Arthur54 said:

Would he still be committed to British speedway if he was still in the GPS 

He would do the honourable / respectful thing by opting out altogether instead of doing a Kurtz by leaving his team mates and club out to dry by picking and choosing which British league meetings he competes in.

Janowski got a slight injury away to Czestochowa recently after PHB ran into the back of him but Magic still showed up for the Spires meetings instead of making up an excuse to not turn up at all.

[PhilTheAce]

Kurtz knocked out in q1, clearly still injured and struggling. 
 

Probably needs another week off 

[IainB]

10 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

Kurtz knocked out in q1, clearly still injured and struggling. 
 

Probably needs another week off 

I'd say he should have 28 days off 👍🏻

[gjcone44]

yes but not all at once

[bellevueace]

I dont get why so many non Belle Vue fans are bothered about this if Doyle had done the same thing it wouldnt bother me and really British speedway has fallen so far now there really isnt any point mithering, speedway in GB is what it is.

[foreverblue]

3 hours ago, SUPERACE said:

Wrong unless world war 2 was 1970.  7 titles since 1971 that's 50% of our wins, now that's not most.  I'd say plenty remember the trio of Mauger, Collins and Morton. 

So how many times have you done the league and cup double, surely as team as dominant as the aces must have done the double quite a few times.

[Aries]

Interesting. You ok Phil? 😉

[IainB]

15 minutes ago, Aries said:

Interesting. You ok Phil? 😉

Don't worry... Phil's all over it, setting the record straight 😂

[gjcone44]

cook and Pickering riding today 😁 oh i forgot they not thinking about a world championship..

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5 hours ago, IainB said:

I don't know why you're just highlighting league meetings... well actually I'm pretty sure I do. But to answer your question, Kurtz clearly fit to continue riding last Saturday night, gave the club he's the inspirational captain of a miss on Thursday and turned up for the Zloty the very next night and scored a 12 point maximum. You're very selective (much like Kurtz) in the meetings you think Kurtz should and shouldn't be riding in, as a Belle Vue fan I find this difficult to fathom, maybe you're not a fan of Belle Vue or British Speedway? Just coming on here and calling everybody a troll who doesn't agree with you is not great.

Thanks for a reply at last. The reason for being particular about league meetings is since you started this crusade last year there are many on here who genuinely believe Brady picks and chooses his meetings. I couldn’t understand why, on a subject you know well, you weren’t putting them straight. Why keep quiet? The reason is you don’t want the full facts discussed as you have an agenda. 

A fit Brady has ridden in one championship qualifier whilst subsequently missing a Belle Vue fixture. There was a Polish meeting that due to his injury he did not complete and missed a later Aces meeting. For Brady’s other injuries  he has not ridden elsewhere then missed the UK then ridden elsewhere. Fans in this country seem to think injured riders should return to the track when fit, in the UK first which is ridiculous as we can go three weeks without a fixture. 

Now we come to the individual world championship meeting. This is the hardest to grasp for me. During the fifty odd years I’ve followed the sport I first came across a rider chasing championship glory whilst injured in 1977 when PC rode in Sweden with a leg full of stitches. The media, the fans and other riders only had glowing tributes to pay him for his bravery. The fact he didn’t turn out for Belle Vue despite being “well enough” to come second wasn’t even a talking point. This was the case with Kenny Carters British Final triumph with a broken leg and all the others who have ridden at championship level over the decades whilst injured and missing domestic league meetings. They can only let themselves down when taking the risk to ride but should they chance it in a team meeting then it’s not just them who may suffer. 

Anyone who has anything but admiration for riders in this situation, I’m sorry to say, is a disgusting speedway fan and a disgraceful human being. 

We’ll part ways now, so you can troll without rebuke. I would ask though that when it concerns injured riders, please tone it down a bit if not stop completely. 

[PhilTheAce]

1 hour ago, Aries said:

Interesting. You ok Phil? 😉

I’m m very proud making it on speedway shambles. No complaints here 

[GeneralMelchett]

20 hours ago, PhilTheAce said:

Missing Kurtz wasn’t the problem last night. With Kurtz we still get battered 

I think it was! Quite probably you still would have lost - but it shows BV up as weak without him, and Bewley aside none of the others (despite working hard in the pits) really showed much fight!