Gavan Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 1 hour ago, IainB said: Did you tell him he rode like a novice before or after the pictures? 😂 He just didn’t seem interested when behind and I would attribute that to Belle Vue not being the highest on his list of priorities right now What I will say is that he was a nice guy chatted to us stopped for pictures and I wished him the best for the GP’s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 30 minutes ago, IainB said: Top 4 in a 7 team league though is ridiculous rendering most league matches meaningless... the only meaningful matches, perversely, are against Birmingham, Oxford & Kings Lynn, beat those and you're in the pay offs. Didn’t Birmingham beat Belle Vue? So that’s two points they need to recover at either Ipswich Leicester or Sheffield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 2 hours ago, mikebv said: I really do hope for your sake that Ipswich win the league... Because... If you do a "Devon Loch" and throw it away... You best hope this forum goes offline for at least a week after... Confused?? Never have I said Ipswich will win the league I’m saying I don’t see Belle Vue as a problem to us over 2 legs you have too many weak links at Foxhall You quite clearly have better riders than Kings Lynn but their 1-7 go better at Foxhall same applies to Leicester I’m more worried about 2 legs against Leicester than I am against Belle Vue. Certain riders and teams go well at certain tracks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 2 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: Didn’t Birmingham beat Belle Vue? So that’s two points they need to recover at either Ipswich Leicester or Sheffield. They also beat us (Lions) at our place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 4 hours ago, bellevueace said: During all the years the British Final was held at Coventry i dont recall any Coventry track expert racking up British Titles, no matter where its held and i agree it should be shared around but as Phil says there were no other tracks willing to host it. Problem today there really isnt any other British rider who is going to threaten the likes of Bewley and Lambert, gone are the days of Collins, Morton, Lee Jessup, Betts, Carter, when the meeting was hotly contested. Well in the years I went 87-91 Tatum won it x 2 and was runner up x2. However these were showcase meetings in front of a packed out Brandon - not sure if thats what you might say is racking up the titles but the home rider was certainly a finalist 100% of the 4 times I went! Wherever you hold finals you will get this, I recall when Sheffield hosted the riders chanmpionship if Asworth or Compton got the title ebveryone said oh its home track advantage - its the way it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 4 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: not a shock result, and not really bothered about it because that wont be the team that next goes to ipswich, on paper it does improve us but whether it will on the ipswich track ithen i dont know. but one things is for sure, kurtz and dan will give that extra % in a play off like always, but so will your riders it was a decent night for ipswich fans and the neutrals but as an aces fan was rubbishe just seeing us get passed So Phil what will the team be that comes to Ipswich in the B fixture? If you know it what is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 21 minutes ago, Bash said: So Phil what will the team be that comes to Ipswich in the B fixture? If you know it what is it. 🤷♂️🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 54 minutes ago, IainB said: Top 4 in a 7 team league though is ridiculous rendering most league matches meaningless... the only meaningful matches, perversely, are against Birmingham, Oxford & Kings Lynn, beat those and you're in the pay offs. I see this from you a lot, Mike/Ouch is similar. Just goes to show the mouthy miserable minority on here don’t translate to what actually exists on the terraces. I’m sure you’d say that it was completely meaningless that Ipswich snatched the bonus point last night seeing as they’re already guaranteed a play off place. So what difference does the extra point make? Well to those there last night it meant something. The atmosphere in the closing races when the 5-1’s were coming and the bonus point was secured in the final heat was excellent. The crowd were fully aware of what was needed due to the excellent presenter Kevin keeping everyone up to speed, and the roar when the presenter confirmed the bonus point had been secured spoke volumes. I guess the likes of Birmingham and Oxford and probably Lynn are now all riding meaningless meetings so may as well now just forfeit their remaining fixtures and we’ll just fast forward to the play offs and we can all have an early finish this year? After all these are only meaningless “qualifiers”. Never known such a negative bunch of grumpy b@stards that follow a particular sport like we seem to have with this one. We have Lynn on Monday, I’m pretty sure their supporters won’t see it as meaningless if they do a number again on their Suffolk rivals. Life is short, enjoy every meeting while you can and savour any victory the team you support manages to get, whether your team is at the top of the table or rock bottom. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 Belle Vue do seem to run their annual final qualification in a particular way. At the start of the season they will win a few away meetings and keep others close to secure the bonus. After the league settles and qualification is all but certain they take their foot off the gas until the play offs themselves. I’ve always found it odd that a rider would try less as this obviously affects their income. Having said that, Zach admitted to testing stuff out against Lynn as the team score allowed him to. If the team ride at opponents destined for the playoffs and the table allowed it, I would absolutely have a play around re set ups. Not saying this is necessarily the case for last night. I do like a strategy, especially one that is so effective year on year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 43 minutes ago, Bash said: So Phil what will the team be that comes to Ipswich in the B fixture? If you know it what is it. It’ll be the same team. After all, we keep being told Belle Vue are the pillars of the Speedway community, only do things for the benefit of the sport and their riders, so they won’t be dumping any of their riders on to the scrap heap obviously. Besides, they don’t need to make any changes. AceBelle was constantly telling everyone that THEY actually had the best team and were favourites, so no changes are necessary. And to add to that, what on earth is the point of making changes when the whole thing is completely meaningless and winning the title is worthless? Isn’t that right Mike?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Aries said: It’ll be the same team. After all, we keep being told Belle Vue are the pillars of the Speedway community, only do things for the benefit of the sport and their riders, so they won’t be dumping any of their riders on to the scrap heap obviously. Besides, they don’t need to make any changes. AceBelle was constantly telling everyone that THEY actually had the best team and were favourites, so no changes are necessary. And to add to that, what on earth is the point of making changes when the whole thing is completely meaningless and winning the title is worthless? Isn’t that right Mike?? Not at all..... I think it is a major sporting competition that delivers a title full of kudos, huge financial rewards, and a fantastic amount of national media recognition... Edit And like all other major championships, whoever wins it are deserved champions... Edited July 11 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 1 hour ago, Gavan said: Nope read my post .. I said it wasn’t beyond the realms of possibility they could and listed the potential scoring ….. I got Lidsey and the reserves spot on but was 7 points out on the top 2…… unless Belle Vue make changes it’s quite clear they can’t beat Ipswich over 2 legs rr for blodhorn means only zach can have 1 ride the other 3 shared by tate and jake no way we will win tonight we are a 4 man team Tate and Jake will have the beating of Foord …. Tate also beat King last time on his first visit to Foxhall Brady and Dan 25…. Lidsey 7…. Cook 5 and the reserves 5 keeps it very close does it not … nice try though A post and your response above.You responded to a Belle Vue fan who said they had no chance,with 42pts to belle Vue,nice try though😅👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 16 minutes ago, Aries said: It’ll be the same team. After all, we keep being told Belle Vue are the pillars of the Speedway community, only do things for the benefit of the sport and their riders, so they won’t be dumping any of their riders on to the scrap heap obviously. Besides, they don’t need to make any changes. AceBelle was constantly telling everyone that THEY actually had the best team and were favourites, so no changes are necessary. And to add to that, what on earth is the point of making changes when the whole thing is completely meaningless and winning the title is worthless? Isn’t that right Mike?? Oh they’ll make changes alright. When the Belle Vue vultures run out of hope that their rivals will have the guts ripped out of them through injury, they’ll press the panic button and resort to plan B or even C, whether that includes sacking riders and gambling on others, or getting lawyers involved to help them bend the rules to get ringers in. Anything goes in a desperate win at all costs attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Aries said: I see this from you a lot, Mike/Ouch is similar. Just goes to show the mouthy miserable minority on here don’t translate to what actually exists on the terraces. I’m sure you’d say that it was completely meaningless that Ipswich snatched the bonus point last night seeing as they’re already guaranteed a play off place. So what difference does the extra point make? Well to those there last night it meant something. The atmosphere in the closing races when the 5-1’s were coming and the bonus point was secured in the final heat was excellent. The crowd were fully aware of what was needed due to the excellent presenter Kevin keeping everyone up to speed, and the roar when the presenter confirmed the bonus point had been secured spoke volumes. I guess the likes of Birmingham and Oxford and probably Lynn are now all riding meaningless meetings so may as well now just forfeit their remaining fixtures and we’ll just fast forward to the play offs and we can all have an early finish this year? After all these are only meaningless “qualifiers”. Never known such a negative bunch of grumpy b@stards that follow a particular sport like we seem to have with this one. We have Lynn on Monday, I’m pretty sure their supporters won’t see it as meaningless if they do a number again on their Suffolk rivals. Life is short, enjoy every meeting while you can and savour any victory the team you support manages to get, whether your team is at the top of the table or rock bottom. It’s a select few that can’t accept they aren’t actually very good this year. 3rd best in fact in the league and the worst team to enter the knock out cup by looking at the results. Finishing top matters to me because I want both semi and final second legs at home, they don’t mind because half of them won’t attend the meeting but moan about the result 😂 One question, did Belle Vue use the same methanol down last night as the previous meeting that Mark lemon moaned about ? 😉 Edited July 11 by ShanoXtra . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 Flawless performance from Danny King last night, Ipswich dodged a bullet in Keynan Rew. Belle Vue winning nothing as long as Tate Zischke is @ No.6, Tate can't ride Ipswich or Leicester (2 Play-Off Tracks) so I've got no idea why they haven't made a change tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aries said: I see this from you a lot, Mike/Ouch is similar. Just goes to show the mouthy miserable minority on here don’t translate to what actually exists on the terraces. I’m sure you’d say that it was completely meaningless that Ipswich snatched the bonus point last night seeing as they’re already guaranteed a play off place. So what difference does the extra point make? Well to those there last night it meant something. The atmosphere in the closing races when the 5-1’s were coming and the bonus point was secured in the final heat was excellent. The crowd were fully aware of what was needed due to the excellent presenter Kevin keeping everyone up to speed, and the roar when the presenter confirmed the bonus point had been secured spoke volumes. I guess the likes of Birmingham and Oxford and probably Lynn are now all riding meaningless meetings so may as well now just forfeit their remaining fixtures and we’ll just fast forward to the play offs and we can all have an early finish this year? After all these are only meaningless “qualifiers”. Never known such a negative bunch of grumpy b@stards that follow a particular sport like we seem to have with this one. We have Lynn on Monday, I’m pretty sure their supporters won’t see it as meaningless if they do a number again on their Suffolk rivals. Life is short, enjoy every meeting while you can and savour any victory the team you support manages to get, whether your team is at the top of the table or rock bottom. Of course it was meaningless, in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure the fans loved it, just like I loved watching us beat the mighty Oxford Spires at home last night, with some great action on track I'll also add. If you hadn't have secured the bonus point what difference would it have made? You know some fans even go wild when their team wins on the night but go out of the KO Cup on aggregate! Let's not kid ourselves that the top 4 weren't sorted from the very early weeks of the season, I'm not even sure if it's worth finishing in any particular place on the table after the stunt Mr Morris pulled last season and I'm not sure if the pay off finishing places have even been announced for this season Edited July 11 by IainB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 2 hours ago, Baldyman said: Didn't Andy Smith do 3 on the trot as a Bee in 93 94 and 95? Also Tatum Twice as a bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaddlebowRoad Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 6 hours ago, foreverblue said: I dont think he should ride at that level yet. of course you dont lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 1 hour ago, SaddlebowRoad said: of course you dont lol I dont want him guesting tonight either but I certainly dont think a 16 year old should be riding at Premiership level without a bit of experience of Championship level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 I made a rare visit to Foxhall, and thought that BV were poor - three riders whose only points were scored against Vinnie Foord. They seemed on a mission to hold on for the bonus point, but the reliance on Kurtz and Bewley (the pairing chiefly responsible for the 14 point lead) was too much - outgated and racing each other in 13, and then passed on the opening lap of 15 by King, who squeezed outside Kurtz off Bend 4 in the type of move that everyone raves about in GPs. KL should give the Witches a tougher match on the 18th - I might even go to that one too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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