Belle Vue -V- Leicester

[PhilTheAce]

Always decent battles against the lions but always seem to get battered here. 
 

looks like it will be RR for norick again and for Becker. 
 

prediction 51-39

[Col]

2 hours ago, PhilTheAce said:

Always decent battles against the lions but always seem to get battered here. 
 

looks like it will be RR for norick again and for Becker. 
 

prediction 51-39

My last NSS visit until August BHM I suspect as Belle Vue are away the final two Mondays of July.  Fricke should give Bewley & Kurtz something to think about.  Douglas & Masters (Becker too had he been riding) should be capable of troubling the other Aces.

Hopefully Zischke can find some form, Aces certainly need the reserves to do more.

[Gavan]

Belle Vue are so strong at home even the reserves are scoring points and it’s that home form that keeps them up at the top 

[racers and royals]

Should see some races on TNT during their coverage of the Sheffield match.

[IainB]

6 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Should see some races on TNT during their coverage of the Sheffield match.

You'll see a few riders whizzing by the camera on the home straight and a few clips of riders coming round the 4th bend 👀

[ouch]

Should be a very entertaining meeting again with plenty of passing. Leicester imo are the best gaters in the league though they are closely matched by the top two, necessity is the mother of invention after all. But for the racing last time we would have drawn if calling the race early, not that you can do that at the NSS. 

Being back to full strength helps as a full Aces side has only been beaten once, without Brady falling that is. 

As always it’s great to see our Max back and I’m hoping he has a good night along with local lad Kyle who will no doubt be mad for it. 

[Gavan]

53 minutes ago, ouch said:

Should be a very entertaining meeting again with plenty of passing. Leicester imo are the best gaters in the league though they are closely matched by the top two, necessity is the mother of invention after all. But for the racing last time we would have drawn if calling the race early, not that you can do that at the NSS. 

Being back to full strength helps as a full Aces side has only been beaten once, without Brady falling that is. 

As always it’s great to see our Max back and I’m hoping he has a good night along with local lad Kyle who will no doubt be mad for it. 

There is often some passing at the NSS because of the size and speed of the track

But to me it’s not that entertaining for an opposition rider to make the gate before a Belle Vue heat leader just blasts his way around the outside … I prefer a bit of track craft from time to time but each to their own

Belle Vue to win this 52-38 as Kurtz Bewley and Lidsey will get 37 of those between them i would think …. Cook 6… Mulford 4 and Zischke 5…… who knows 

[ouch]

17 minutes ago, Gavan said:

There is often some passing at the NSS because of the size and speed of the track

But to me it’s not that entertaining for an opposition rider to make the gate before a Belle Vue heat leader just blasts his way around the outside … I prefer a bit of track craft from time to time but each to their own

Belle Vue to win this 52-38 as Kurtz Bewley and Lidsey will get 37 of those between them i would think …. Cook 6… Mulford 4 and Zischke 5…… who knows 

I think you’re being a bit harsh when describing the racing lines around the NSS. I’ve lifted the race reports from the last time we met when the lines used were mentioned. One race had simultaneous passing on the outside and inside. 

Fricke chasing and finally passes Blodorn up the inside bend 2 lap 4. Becker packed up on the run to the first turn. 

Masters gates, but Bewley is up the inside bend 3 lap 1. Masters repaid the pass bend 2 lap 2, before Bewley is back up the inside bend 1 lap 3, before pulling clear.

 

Howarth up the inside of Zichke bend 2 lap 1

 

Masters gates, and leads for 3 laps with the Aces hunting him down. Lidsey and Cook go either side of Masters bend 1 lap 4 to turn it into a 5-1. Great ride from the Aces. 

[foreverblue]

27 minutes ago, Gavan said:

There is often some passing at the NSS because of the size and speed of the track

But to me it’s not that entertaining for an opposition rider to make the gate before a Belle Vue heat leader just blasts his way around the outside … I prefer a bit of track craft from time to time but each to their own

Belle Vue to win this 52-38 as Kurtz Bewley and Lidsey will get 37 of those between them i would think …. Cook 6… Mulford 4 and Zischke 5…… who knows 

I would agree, I know we both support teams that are not known for passing at home but it must get a little boring to see the same lines work all the time, I thought despite our loss Workington at the weekend was more entertaining, Zische back to form got to be a massive plus for BV.

[PhilTheAce]

Will cairns in for Jake it seems 

[IainB]

50 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

Will cairns in for Jake it seems 

Agent Cairns 🕵‍♂️

[mikebv]

2 hours ago, ouch said:

I think you’re being a bit harsh when describing the racing lines around the NSS. I’ve lifted the race reports from the last time we met when the lines used were mentioned. One race had simultaneous passing on the outside and inside. 

Fricke chasing and finally passes Blodorn up the inside bend 2 lap 4. Becker packed up on the run to the first turn. 

Masters gates, but Bewley is up the inside bend 3 lap 1. Masters repaid the pass bend 2 lap 2, before Bewley is back up the inside bend 1 lap 3, before pulling clear.

 

Howarth up the inside of Zichke bend 2 lap 1

 

Masters gates, and leads for 3 laps with the Aces hunting him down. Lidsey and Cook go either side of Masters bend 1 lap 4 to turn it into a 5-1. Great ride from the Aces. 

Too many passes....

Amazingly Hyde Rd had the same issue where riders could pass outside and inside...

The last thing you need is someone flying around the outside, scraping the fence to pass an opponent like both Kurtz and Bewley do, (and Fricke also)..

Hopefully Will Cairns goes through his career using "track craft" and ignores all that nonsense...

[bellevueace]

4 hours ago, Gavan said:

There is often some passing at the NSS because of the size and speed of the track

But to me it’s not that entertaining for an opposition rider to make the gate before a Belle Vue heat leader just blasts his way around the outside … I prefer a bit of track craft from time to time but each to their own

Belle Vue to win this 52-38 as Kurtz Bewley and Lidsey will get 37 of those between them i would think …. Cook 6… Mulford 4 and Zischke 5…… who knows 

Maybe all tracks should be like Ippo and Plymouth,  I beg to differ theres no skill on bigger tracks, against KL there was some very good team riding not easy on a track with so many lines to negotiate and protect, faster speeds more split second decisions have to be made quicker, fact is there is room to race. People complain about no passing then we get complaints when a track actually does provide passing We had Hyde Road widely regarded as the best track in the world, then Kirky lane where we saw riders who raced on the big open spaces were able to adapt to the smaller track. When the NSS was first announced many fans poured cold water on it saying it would never happen and those people have been nothing but negative about it since, you are not included in that by the way. I agree with you its each to his own i would prefer what we have to what Monmore was  or Plymouth is with respect to Plymouth. As for tonight i always feel Leicester should be giving us a run for our money as they have riders that can certainly ride the track but they have never really shown that, they are due a good meeting here, as always i just hope to see good racing but no track can ever provide spectacular racing every meeting whether that be BV, Ippo, KL, etc.

Edited yesterday at 03:00 PM by bellevueace

[Garry1603]

A quick shower of rain just now (about six miles away), but back to being sunny and windy.

Looking forward to seeing Will Cairns to be honest. If he performs well, will it give Mark Lemon a decision to make regarding Jake Mulford?

I think tonight depends on if Max Fricke gets sufficient support from his team mates, otherwise BV should have too much top end strength. 50-40

 

Edited yesterday at 03:47 PM by Garry1603

[Col]

Looking forward to seeing Cairns but hope Mulford isn't badly injured.

[Gavan]

I said 52-38 was 50-40 so a good guess 

Belle Vue going well at home shown by how different Zach Cook rides here as opposed to Leicester and Ipswich …. I feel Belle Vue can beat Sheffield over 2 legs but obviously don’t look capable of beating Ipswich or Leicester over 2 legs 

[Fromafar]

10 hours ago, Gavan said:

There is often some passing at the NSS because of the size and speed of the track

But to me it’s not that entertaining for an opposition rider to make the gate before a Belle Vue heat leader just blasts his way around the outside … I prefer a bit of track craft from time to time but each to their own

Belle Vue to win this 52-38 as Kurtz Bewley and Lidsey will get 37 of those between them i would think …. Cook 6… Mulford 4 and Zischke 5…… who knows 

After that Borefest at Sheffield,I would rather watch riders passing opposition at Belle Vue. That’s entertaining .IMO

[Gavan]

2 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

After that Borefest at Sheffield,I would rather watch riders passing opposition at Belle Vue. That’s entertaining .IMO

No comparison that tv meeting was the worst I’ve seen for ages 

[mikebv]

7 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

After that Borefest at Sheffield,I would rather watch riders passing opposition at Belle Vue. That’s entertaining .IMO

Bloody throttle jockey's.....

Just showing off, scraping the fence,  blasting around their opponents...

I prefer tracks where you have to show track craft, where you turn the bike hard by locking up, scrubbing speed off, and often straightening up as you nearly high side, then locking up again before you hit the fence..

He who stays on the fastest wins...

Proper Speedway that .😀...

[Gavan]

1 minute ago, mikebv said:

Bloody throttle jockey's.....

Just showing off, scraping the fence,  blasting around their opponents...

I prefer tracks where you have to show track craft, where you turn the bike hard by locking up, scrubbing speed off, and often straightening up as you nearly high side, then locking up again before you hit the fence..

He who stays on the fastest wins...

Proper Speedway that .😀...

Total misinterpretation of what I said about the track but carry on 

Why do Belle Vue struggle at Ipswich and Leicester? With the exception of Bewley and Kurtz who are world class 

I think that because the Belle Vue track is so good and fast and wide open is actually a possible hindrance to some of your riders when they have to ride away 

Of course the Belle Vue track is the best in the country and of course you will get more passes there then most tracks but you can’t have every track like that so you have to find a way to win at other tracks or at least keep it close 

You have a better 1-7 than Leicester but they ride Foxhall better than you do … they also ride Belle Vue better than we do lol