WembleyLion Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 9 hours ago, IainB said: In theory they could be sold while midway through that 1 year (more likely 6 month) contract... though the contract is probably that full of holes, it's probably not worth the paper it's probably not written on. To my knowledge Speedway riders have not been club assets for a very long time mainly because they are self-employed. Clubs once had an arrangement where they bought and sold riders off each other but these arrangements seem to have disappeared. As you say riders enter into contracts to provide their services to clubs and I agree these contracts are probably not worth the paper they are written on in terms of placing a value on a rider. It would be like trying to sell your window cleaner to your next door neighbour! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 38 minutes ago, WembleyLion said: To my knowledge Speedway riders have not been club assets for a very long time mainly because they are self-employed. Clubs once had an arrangement where they bought and sold riders off each other but these arrangements seem to have disappeared. As you say riders enter into contracts to provide their services to clubs and I agree these contracts are probably not worth the paper they are written on in terms of placing a value on a rider. It would be like trying to sell your window cleaner to your next door neighbour! Yes, It's been a long time since a rider transfer fee was paid due to the worthlessness of it all... but I do believe that loan fees were paid until relatively recently, not 100% sure though as like so many things in the murky world of Speedway finances it's a closely guarded secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago Just been listening to Talksport and 'Arry was on (for a change!).... Very disappointing... He spent his whole time on there discussing Spurs and Thomas Frank, with the end of his conversation mentioning the sad passing of Billy Bonds.... I thought he may have at least mentioned his thoughts on how the Berwick team were shaping up, or maybe what he felt about Peterborough potentially coming back, but running at Oxford, or even his views on whether opening a track at Northampton would be good for Speedway.. Nothing... Just Football.... Maybe his life long love for the sport has ended? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 19 hours ago, Dave_minall said: I think it's far too late to switch to one league now. Some championship teams have already named riders, if the BSPA did a u-turn and made it so, it would make a farce of an already farcical situation. Remember, the BSPL is not an independent body, but collectively the bunch of promoters running clubs the breadth of the UK. The fallacy is to believe that the majority of the same said promoters care about the overall well being & future of the sport. It’s clear the promoters continue to deal with what’s in front of their noses to the exclusion of any long term plan thus we should not be surprised if the current farcical situation is made worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Remember, the BSPL is not an independent body, but collectively the bunch of promoters running clubs the breadth of the UK. The fallacy is to believe that the majority of the same said promoters care about the overall well being & future of the sport. It’s clear the promoters continue to deal with what’s in front of their noses to the exclusion of any long term plan thus we should not be surprised if the current farcical situation is made worse. It was ever thus.... If ever a body of people needed saving from themselves it was UK Speedway... With no one to independently stand back, and objectively scrutinise how the optics of the decisions taken will look, and land, to their customer base, we have had decades of completely wrong decisions being made time after time... UK rider development should have been the No1 on their "to do" list, to ensure more supply than demand of riders, but instead we had foreign journeymen coming over and replacing each other using an ever spinning revolving door.. There are far too many self inflicted, and avoidable, issues to unpick now to ever sort the sport out without a huge influx of cash from somewhere I would think... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 37 minutes ago Report Share Posted 37 minutes ago 18 minutes ago, mikebv said: With no one to independently stand back, and objectively scrutinise how the optics of the decisions taken will look, and land, to their customer base, we have had decades of completely wrong decisions being made time after time. Well that’s not strictly true, there are a few 1000 of us independent objective folk who constantly stand back and see the flaws in the bspl decision making but we are not listened too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted 29 minutes ago Report Share Posted 29 minutes ago 11 hours ago, IainB said: Ahh, that old chestnut... didn't stop them for the previous 95 years. And as we've stated countless times before the riders are not employees, they are contractors and the law will only apply to what is in their contract. Footballers are employees and yet an asset system still operates there. We now have a situation where all the CL clubs have been free to plunder PL "assets" in their closed shop league and to hell with the rest, leaving the 5 PL clubs high and dry to form a CL team even if they wanted to... nicely done 👍🏻 Not sure what point(s) you’re trying to make here? There is absolutely no comparison with soccer - the term “asset” is used very differently. Employment laws have changed dramatically in recent years. Speedway clubs have no employees or tangible rider assets as such - riders can be released from contracts, or release themselves from contracts, at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 16 minutes ago Report Share Posted 16 minutes ago 10 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Not sure what point(s) you’re trying to make here? There is absolutely no comparison with soccer - the term “asset” is used very differently. Employment laws have changed dramatically in recent years. Speedway clubs have no employees or tangible rider assets as such - riders can be released from contracts, or release themselves from contracts, at any time. This is the point I'm making 👇 11 hours ago, IainB said: What I'm getting at is if Sheffield now join the CL for example they would probably have wanted Josh Pickering but wouldn't be able to have him due to him having signed for Scunny, you'd probably say, at this point, he's more of a Sheffield rider than a Scunny rider, he may not be a balance sheet "asset" but he's a riding asset of Scunny in the CL for 2026 until his contract ends (for whatever reason) This is the point I'm making 👆 If he were an actual Sheffield "balance sheet asset" I doubt he'd be "signed" to Scunny at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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