British final 15th August

[YeOldPitGate]

8 hours ago, Rob B said:

Probably similar to last years Monday but worst then other years. Saw more fans from other tracks like Redcar etc this year probably being a Saturday, but was lot less Belle Vue fans, just in the small area I stand in could name 30 or so regulars that weren’t there. Mainly probably because of no Bewley and then being on ITV topped it off. 

Thanks Rob sadly its a long way back (if even possible) to the 10k plus days at Coventry back in the 80's & 90's we do have a good crop of young riders coming through though, but guess as Lambert was expected to stroll it and in general a weak field it was a tough sell.

[Fromafar]

4 minutes ago, YeOldPitGate said:

Thanks Rob sadly its a long way back (if even possible) to the 10k plus days at Coventry back in the 80's & 90's we do have a good crop of young riders coming through though, but guess as Lambert was expected to stroll it and in general a weak field it was a tough sell.

Don’t think we will see 10k crowd inGB again.Struggled to fill BV for GP and that was with percentage foreigners.That is the level of GB Speedway these days hit or miss if you will get a decent meeting at that level.Biggest problem is the younger riders won’t be hanging  around GB if they fulfill their promise.

[mikebv]

4 hours ago, Fromafar said:

Don’t think we will see 10k crowd inGB again.Struggled to fill BV for GP and that was with percentage foreigners.That is the level of GB Speedway these days hit or miss if you will get a decent meeting at that level.Biggest problem is the younger riders won’t be hanging  around GB if they fulfill their promise.

30+ teams, who all pretty much had decent crowd levels that many would love today, meant the national domestic events had a fair old fanbase to pull from...

Just 15 teams, with nowhere near all of them getting even 1000 a week, is a lot less of a fanbase to deliver even high four figure crowds, never mind five figure crowds, for these events..

Edit. Just watched Dan T's Vlog and the winner gets just £1750!!!

Last gets £200..

Edited 15 hours ago by mikebv

[Fromafar]

32 minutes ago, mikebv said:

30+ teams, who all pretty much had decent crowd levels that many would love today, meant the national domestic events had a fair old fanbase to pull from...

Just 15 teams, with nowhere near all of them getting even 1000 a week, is a lot less of a fanbase to deliver even high four figure crowds, never mind five figure crowds, for these events..

Edit. Just watched Dan T's Vlog and the winner gets just £1750!!!

Last gets £200..

Although it’s not helping his career you can see why he goes to Poland to sit in the Pits.

[Nikki]

Just as caveat to folk heaping praise on Rushen i've seen a few comments in the past saying he's a bit of a throttle jockey and that might be why he did so well last night at Belle Vue, as to his 2 points at Armadale the night before. 

Does anyone think being good on smaller, technical tracks matters these days and if not being so will hinder him ? As.....personally i think Will Cairns is actually.....well a better all round rider.....

Rushen was great last night don't get me wrong it was like watching Joe Screen back in 88/89.....but just wanted to know your opinions 
 

[PersonalResponsibility]

9 hours ago, Nikki said:

Just as caveat to folk heaping praise on Rushen i've seen a few comments in the past saying he's a bit of a throttle jockey and that might be why he did so well last night at Belle Vue, as to his 2 points at Armadale the night before. 

Does anyone think being good on smaller, technical tracks matters these days and if not being so will hinder him ? As.....personally i think Will Cairns is actually.....well a better all round rider.....

Rushen was great last night don't get me wrong it was like watching Joe Screen back in 88/89.....but just wanted to know your opinions 
 

I don't think it makes much difference, certainly not as much as it used to. There aren't many technical tracks in Poland or the GPs now. It appears that being small + lightweight is a big advantage these days. 

[Bagpuss]

10 hours ago, Nikki said:

Just as caveat to folk heaping praise on Rushen i've seen a few comments in the past saying he's a bit of a throttle jockey and that might be why he did so well last night at Belle Vue, as to his 2 points at Armadale the night before. 

Does anyone think being good on smaller, technical tracks matters these days and if not being so will hinder him ? As.....personally i think Will Cairns is actually.....well a better all round rider.....

Rushen was great last night don't get me wrong it was like watching Joe Screen back in 88/89.....but just wanted to know your opinions 
 

I think riding all types of track makes you a better all round rider and Cooper can ride the tighter ones, he's shown that at Plymouth, Leicester, Northampton, Oxford etc. Hes arguably better on the big ones and obviously has struggled at Armadale but I think gating and bike set up probably feeds into that too. I'm sure he'll want to master that track but ultimately if his goal is to be a GP rider and a staple in the Extraliga then its probably not vital.

I think what was most impressive from him up to the final was his composure, intelligence and the way he handled the occasion. He is without doubt a superstar in the making if his career progresses smoothly.

 

[Tim G]

3 hours ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

I don't think it makes much difference, certainly not as much as it used to. There aren't many technical tracks in Poland or the GPs now. It appears that being small + lightweight is a big advantage these days. 

I agree and what worries me for Cooper is the size of him and he’s only 16, he looked  bigger than than all the other riders in the final on Saturday when they were picking the gates.

[LisaColette]

9 minutes ago, Tim G said:

I agree and what worries me for Cooper is the size of him and he’s only 16, he looked  bigger than than all the other riders in the final on Saturday when they were picking the gates.

Umm, seeing as he is only 16 he is probably still growing as a childs growth normally stops around 18/19. 

Fans seem to have an issue with how Cairns and Rushen look, but if you follow them on SM they often show how they keep fit in the gym with PTs. 

[Biffa]

Just had a look at the GP prize money in comparison to th British Final. 
first gets $13860 or £10222.79

last gets $3990 or £2942.92

so is British Final low🤷‍♂️, GP to high, or both not enough. 

[Tim G]

24 minutes ago, LisaColette said:

Umm, seeing as he is only 16 he is probably still growing as a childs growth normally stops around 18/19. 

Fans seem to have an issue with how Cairns and Rushen look, but if you follow them on SM they often show how they keep fit in the gym with PTs. 

 

24 minutes ago, LisaColette said:

Umm, seeing as he is only 16 he is probably still growing as a childs growth normally stops around 18/19. 

Fans seem to have an issue with how Cairns and Rushen look, but if you follow them on SM they often show how they keep fit in the gym with PTs. 

In a sport that power to weight is paramount the size of a rider and the very top level will make a massive difference.

You only had to listen to Tai’s interview the other day to hear about the lengths riders are going too to cut more weight.

[bellevueace]

14 hours ago, Nikki said:

Just as caveat to folk heaping praise on Rushen i've seen a few comments in the past saying he's a bit of a throttle jockey and that might be why he did so well last night at Belle Vue, as to his 2 points at Armadale the night before. 

Does anyone think being good on smaller, technical tracks matters these days and if not being so will hinder him ? As.....personally i think Will Cairns is actually.....well a better all round rider.....

Rushen was great last night don't get me wrong it was like watching Joe Screen back in 88/89.....but just wanted to know your opinions 
 

He scored 3+1 for Kings Lynn in the league at the NSS, not much better than Armadale i think the level of opposition was the main factor.