Belle Vue v Sheffield KOC March 30th 7.30pm

[Bagpuss]

I'm finding some of this Cairns criticism OTT and rather odd to be honest. The lad is 16 and it was his first meeting as a fully fledged RS. I hope Rushen won't get this kind of hammering if he makes a slow start.

[IainB]

6 hours ago, Pinny said:

be fair to give him the season to see how he goes but so far it looks like hes just another over rated young British rider. Not his fault but the usual suspects for over hyping him. 

I mentioned this at the back end of last year, he failed to achieve a double figure score for Poole, from reserve, in the CL... Generally when somebody arrives on the scene with as much hype as Cairns did they at least put in one stand out score!

I hope he goes on to make it, but from what he's done on a 500 so far... I can't see it 🤷‍♂️

[Aries]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Elite_League_speedway_season

Just looking back to 2003 when John Louis chucked a 16 year old Danny King straight in to Elite league action, and he averaged 5.47 in a very very tough league full of quality. 
 

Cairns didn’t even manage that at reserve in a poor standard Championship. But that doesn’t mean he won’t progress to be a world class rider. 
 

Some of the best riders of all time started their careers slowly without much fanfare, while others who were hyped to the eyeballs early doors never progressed to anything other than average journeyman. It’s almost impossible to predict. 
 

Boughen was another who was hyped to death and look what happened there. Drew Kemp also. 

[Neila]

1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

I'm finding some of this Cairns criticism OTT and rather odd to be honest. The lad is 16 and it was his first meeting as a fully fledged RS. I hope Rushen won't get this kind of hammering if he makes a slow start.

IMO Rushen is a far better prospect as he can gate a little, but his racing/passing is out of the world for a 15 now 16 year old and also seems to have the self promotion to put his name out and about, looking forward to seeing how this boy does, planning a trip across to Redcar when Poole come north just to watch the kid 😀 Another youngster to watch out for, but is only 9/10 years old at the moment is Oscar Berwick 😀

[IainB]

1 minute ago, Aries said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Elite_League_speedway_season

Just looking back to 2003 when John Louis chucked a 16 year old Danny King straight in to Elite league action, and he averaged 5.47 in a very very tough league full of quality. 
 

Cairns didn’t even manage that at reserve in a poor standard Championship. But that doesn’t mean he won’t progress to be a world class rider. 
 

Some of the best riders of all time started their careers slowly without much fanfare, while others who were hyped to the eyeballs early doors never progressed to anything other than average journeyman. It’s almost impossible to predict. 
 

Boughen was another who was hyped to death and look what happened there. Drew Kemp also. 

Ben Howe, Leigh Lanham and Savalas Clouting are 3 others that spring to mind

[Pinny]

1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

I'm finding some of this Cairns criticism OTT and rather odd to be honest. The lad is 16 and it was his first meeting as a fully fledged RS. I hope Rushen won't get this kind of hammering if he makes a slow start.

Its not OTT and its not odd at all. Go and read what people said about Boughen then look at the same people slating him as over rated when the wheels come off. 
 

I will take my hat off to Cairns if and when he hits form as obviously would like him to be a future star of the sport but after 25 years of following speedway there have been many , many riders hailed as the next Lee or Loram who go on to do not a lot. 
 

All this nonsense that riders should be in the top tier needs to stop. Riders should be left to the bottom two tiers to develop not slung into the top flight as rising stars having their confidence dented week in week out. 

[Pinny]

9 minutes ago, Aries said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Elite_League_speedway_season

Just looking back to 2003 when John Louis chucked a 16 year old Danny King straight in to Elite league action, and he averaged 5.47 in a very very tough league full of quality. 
 

Cairns didn’t even manage that at reserve in a poor standard Championship. But that doesn’t mean he won’t progress to be a world class rider. 
 

Some of the best riders of all time started their careers slowly without much fanfare, while others who were hyped to the eyeballs early doors never progressed to anything other than average journeyman. It’s almost impossible to predict. 
 

Boughen was another who was hyped to death and look what happened there. Drew Kemp also. 

Danny King in 03 would of been british league cup for Ipswich not EL only meetings. Basically premier league standard at the time but point taken, as a 16 year old he was also streets ahead of Cairns.