Workington v Plymouth 09/05/26 3 pm Championship.

[lewy]

7 minutes ago, Woke23 said:

Looking at the wrong thing mate. Wrongly excluded tate and then excluded tom because he was down before the light came on.

Ben barker illegally warming tyre and Grmek was also not under power when that was called so he should have went too.

Ref made some awful decisions all in favour of plymouth. 

Ben Barker still a bell end though and still cant ride Northside. What a shame.

You must of enjoyed ht14 then when barker got a point off 15 metres or was that down to having a warmer tyre then everyone else 😂 tate was correctly excluded and went down before Tom was in the fence. You lost mate to an underperforming plymouth team and you will lose alot more based on that performance, swallow the sour grapes and accept it.

[Marksman]

Comets had 10 heat winners, would’ve been 11 had JJ’s chain not went in Heat 6.

And still lost 🙈 don’t know the stats but that can’t happen very often, think it shows how reliant on 3 riders we’ve been lately

[Marksman]

6 minutes ago, lewy said:

You must of enjoyed ht14 then when barker got a point off 15 metres or was that down to having a warmer tyre then everyone else 😂 tate was correctly excluded and went down before Tom was in the fence. You lost mate to an underperforming plymouth team and you will lose alot more based on that performance, swallow the sour grapes and accept it.

Well done to Plymouth you deserve some success after a tough few seasons, Grmek is a massive upgrade on Thomsen IMO. Especially as the season progresses.

Lots of positives for both teams still, crowd levels have been great at the GT tyres arena this season and looking forward to evening racing next week.

[lewy]

4 minutes ago, Marksman said:

Well done to Plymouth you deserve some success after a tough few seasons, Grmek is a massive upgrade on Thomsen IMO. Especially as the season progresses.

Lots of positives for both teams still, crowd levels have been great at the GT tyres arena this season and looking forward to evening racing next week.

Cheers mate, happy your crowd levels are improved.

[geoff100]

44 minutes ago, lewy said:

You must of enjoyed ht14 then when barker got a point off 15 metres or was that down to having a warmer tyre then everyone else 😂 tate was correctly excluded and went down before Tom was in the fence. You lost mate to an underperforming plymouth team and you will lose alot more based on that performance, swallow the sour grapes and accept it.

Once again rose tinted glasses,tate was down tight first bend anyother night all 4 back,but ht 14 a joke,stopped when on bend 4 after plymouth rider clearly not under power,ef cant be helped , the ref had one hell of a bad day but hey ho roll on next week.

[CTD26]

Well done Plymouth and congratulations on the win. Real trump card at reserve there.

The track today was a disgrace. Extremely slick and when you’ve got racers in your team who can do everything but gate it doesn’t help.

Batchelor riding like a rookie and not reading the track for all his experience.
 

Referee didn’t help matters. Tate wrongly excluded in the first bend with Nicholls leaning all over him, where’s he supposed to go, run the Marshall over?

And then you’ve got heat 14 wow. Barker shouldn’t have even been given the option of going off 15 metres it wasn’t a tapes offence and then Gremek wasn’t under power before the tapes went up, diabolical. 
 

Backs up my point about dodgey refereeing decisions at every meeting this year.

Give us a full team and we can show what we’re capable of.

Well done Plymouth enjoy the journey home, you’s certainly travelled well considering the distance between the 2 tracks.

[geoff100]

8 minutes ago, CTD26 said:

Well done Plymouth and congratulations on the win. Real trump card at reserve there.

The track today was a disgrace. Extremely slick and when you’ve got racers in your team who can do everything but gate it doesn’t help.

Batchelor riding like a rookie and not reading the track for all his experience.
 

Referee didn’t help matters. Tate wrongly excluded in the first bend with Nicholls leaning all over him, where’s he supposed to go, run the Marshall over?

And then you’ve got heat 14 wow. Barker shouldn’t have even been given the option of going off 15 metres it wasn’t a tapes offence and then Gremek wasn’t under power before the tapes went up, diabolical. 
 

Backs up my point about dodgey refereeing decisions at every meeting this year.

Give us a full team and we can show what we’re capable of.

Well done Plymouth enjoy the journey home, you’s certainly travelled well considering the distance between the 2 tracks.

Soz but your wrong about the track the sun and wind dont help but there was a good dirt line on bends 1,2 not many riders used it.

[CTD26]

2 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Soz but your wrong about the track the sun and wind dont help but there was a good dirt line on bends 1,2 not many riders used it.

Soz but I disagree. Yeah they don’t help but Steve Lawson has been in the game long enough to realise that. Compared to last weeks racing it wasn’t a patch on it.

Track was prepared with the second half in mind. Should hold these meetings on different days to when comets are at home.

Edited Saturday at 07:16 PM by CTD26

[Marksman]

7 minutes ago, CTD26 said:

Soz but I disagree. Yeah they don’t help but Steve Lawson has been in the game long enough to realise that. Compared to last weeks racing it wasn’t a patch on it.

Track was prepared with the second half in mind. Should hold these meetings on different days to when comets are at home.

I think that was the case 100%, lessons will be learnt I’d imagine.

Plus a very long day for all involved, track staff, Marshalls, referee the list goes on.

[Paul Johnson]

Going off 15 metres is the rule for warming tyres, if the race had completed and ref found out he had warmed his tyre then the race would be rerun with a reserve in

Seems like he forgot one was underpower when the race was stopped as he should be out with no replacement unless he didnt call ht 14 a Rerun"?

Edited Saturday at 07:29 PM by Paul Johnson

[CTD26]

1 minute ago, Paul Johnson said:

Going off 15 metres is the rule for warming tyres, if the race had completed and ref found out he had warmed his tyre then the race would be rerun with a reserve in

Seems like he forgot one was underpower when the race was stopped as he shpould be out with no replacement unless he didnt call ht 14 a Rerun"?

That’s fair enough mate, never seen it happen at a meeting before so was unsure. They’re claiming because barker committed the offence before Grmek’s bike packed up he was allowed back in. But the red lights didn’t come on until the first lap was nearly completed.

[Paul Johnson]

Didnt see it but makes you wonder when the ref found out? if he saw him why did he let him carry on but why so late in the red lights?. My guess is the first staging of ht14 was null and void but with Barker on 15m

At Scunny v Poole the ref saw evidence of Bowes prewarming before his heat..he then reran the race with Bowes excluded and a reserve in

[Marksman]

20 minutes ago, Paul Johnson said:

Didnt see it but makes you wonder when the ref found out? if he saw him why did he let him carry on but why so late in the red lights?. My guess is the first staging of ht14 was null and void but with Barker on 15m

At Scunny v Poole the ref saw evidence of Bowes prewarming before his heat..he then reran the race with Bowes excluded and a reserve in

Would be a waste of time putting Bowes off 15m that’s for sure 😆

Mitch Cluff hung back and was pointing out to the referee what Barker was doing, I saw it so I’m guessing the referee did too. God knows why he waited until the 3rd/4th bend to put the red lights on too.

[SteelShoe]

2 hours ago, Marksman said:

Very disappointing afternoon there, was close throughout and we couldn’t pull away after heat 10.

A combination of Jeppesen’s retirements and the absurd referee decisions probably cost us the win, that man needs challenged, it was bizarre!

Team has potential but can’t keep running with a patched up team.

The 6pm starts can’t come quick enough, track was perfect last week.

Don't think people who aren’t there realise the effect the gusty winds and the sun beating down on the track has, the track is 100% pure shale unlike other surfaces, and just dries out instantly even if it’s completely soaked for hours beforehand. Last week on the 6pm start it didn’t dry out one bit because the moisture could hold in the track.

Still had more entertainment than all of our away meetings this season, good to see Tate being back confident and passing riders, just needs to perfect his gating.

 

2 hours ago, Marksman said:

Very disappointing afternoon there, was close throughout and we couldn’t pull away after heat 10.

A combination of Jeppesen’s retirements and the absurd referee decisions probably cost us the win, that man needs challenged, it was bizarre!

Team has potential but can’t keep running with a patched up team.

The 6pm starts can’t come quick enough, track was perfect last week.

Don't think people who aren’t there realise the effect the gusty winds and the sun beating down on the track has, the track is 100% pure shale unlike other surfaces, and just dries out instantly even if it’s completely soaked for hours beforehand. Last week on the 6pm start it didn’t dry out one bit because the moisture could hold in the track.

Still had more entertainment than all of our away meetings this season, good to see Tate being back confident and passing riders, just needs to perfect his gating.

Re watering, I know what you are saying about 6pm starts and of course its valid but only to a degree . I have seen many dusty meetings that have started as late as 7-30pm at tracks such as Oxford , Poole and Redcar to name 3 that come to mind so it would be unwise to suggest that a later start will be the end of dust.  If we fail to get enough moisture into the base, it won't be.

You quote last week, however there were a couple of variables that made last week different to this regardless of earlier start time today. 1. We had substantial rainfall friday evening that got into the base and 2. The track was visibly wetter at the 6pm start time than it was today suggesting we either put more water on and or were helped by the existing track moisture level when we started watering.

Even though the track was on the wet side to start with last week, after 4 heats it was perfect. This contributed to a very good racing surface with little or need for subsequent further watering because the moisture went deep into the base. Compare that to today where we had dust in heat 1 .

Personally I consider dust avoidable because some tracks manage it . 

When it has been dry in the days leading up to a meeting then ideally you need to know 1. The optimum pre meeting time to start watering and 2. The ball park figure for the volume of water required over this time period in order to get water into the base.

Weather variables such as temperature and wind speed  play a part in drying the upper layers but the moisture level in the upper layers can be easier controlled during watering breaks, while moisture should also be drawn upwards from the base via capillary action.

Having baseline figures for the above should make for more consistent moisture levels at meeting start times. The plus side of this should be a more enjoyable experience for customers, in terms of dust suppression and conduciveness of the track in producing better .

Maybe this a bit too much of a scientific approach to something that appears relatively simple but it always strikes me as surprising at how many clubs don't seem to mind covering the fans in dust while 'treating' them to a quality of racing that could be better.

[SteelShoe]

1 hour ago, Marksman said:

Would be a waste of time putting Bowes off 15m that’s for sure 😆

Mitch Cluff hung back and was pointing out to the referee what Barker was doing, I saw it so I’m guessing the referee did too. God knows why he waited until the 3rd/4th bend to put the red lights on too.

It wasn't the first time imo, I seen Mr Barker doing it in one of his earlier races.

I thought the standard of refereeing was questionable today. The heat when Tate, Nicholls and Batchelor got to the first corner together Nicholls was in the middle and looked to be getting the elbows out, Tate went down just as they were turning the corner, the ref didn't put the red lights on.  Tom Spencer then went into the airfence on turn two the ref then put the lights on. He subsequently decreed an unsatisfactory start and excluded both riders. For me a fair decision would have been all 4 back . Tate went down purely as a result of first bend bunching so to exclude both riders I thought was definitely unfair on Tate.

[geoff100]

Nice to see vinnie supporting his team mates ,he travelled along way meanwhile other local injured riders nowhere to be seen.wonder what anton is doing these days?

[CTD26]

34 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Nice to see vinnie supporting his team mates ,he travelled along way meanwhile other local injured riders nowhere to be seen.wonder what anton is doing these days?

If you’re referring to Vuolas, he’s doing terribly on the continent. Came second to last in a meeting in Germany last night with Liebmann finishing ahead of him in the final standings. 

[SteelShoe]

14 hours ago, Bellers101 said:

Any signs of the lesser spotted Cook making an appearance any time soon?

I think we may need 2 changes in order to bring in a stronger reserve. Vinnie on interview yesterday said his fracture was wider than he thought and that his physio scoffed at his suggestion of coming back for Glasgow away on friday so he sounds some way off. Our season could be over the way things are going. Back to back home defeats backs this up.

Edited yesterday at 08:01 AM by SteelShoe

[geoff100]

23 minutes ago, CTD26 said:

If you’re referring to Vuolas, he’s doing terribly on the continent. Came second to last in a meeting in Germany last night with Liebmann finishing ahead of him in the final standings. 

Yea ment vuolas 

[SPEEDY69]

12 hours ago, Marksman said:

Would be a waste of time putting Bowes off 15m that’s for sure 😆

Mitch Cluff hung back and was pointing out to the referee what Barker was doing, I saw it so I’m guessing the referee did too. God knows why he waited until the 3rd/4th bend to put the red lights on too.

Was scouring the rule book to check what to do 😊