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57 minutes ago, Argos said:

How about back to the subject 

... still no word from the BSPA?

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57 minutes ago, Argos said:

How about back to the subject 

 Yes back to the subject. The BSPA have now pulled the plug on the   Lakeside -v- Peterborough fixture on 27th July. This fixture has now  been submitted, approved , withdrawn, re-instated and  withdrawn again. This would have been a profitable fixture for Lakeside , partly because it is the start of the school holidays, and partly because Peterborough is near enough to attract more visiting fans than most other clubs. Interestingly, it so happens that Scunthorpe are racing the same day.

Still no comment from the BSPA.

There was a BSPA meeting due to be held today. It remains to be seen whether the fans are given more   information after todays conflab, or whether we will once again be referred to the nearest brick wall for a full statement.

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Having spent the last 2 hours going through this whole thread (yes sad isn't it?!) and also reading the SS every week, it seems to me that the sport will never reach a true concensus for the way forward even if it managed to get views from 75% of its patrons - and by 'patrons'' I include sponsors, advertisers and fans as well as riders/mechanics/tuners etc.

IMO the average fan wants to be entertained and get value for money. We must also accept that some fans (and clubs) both current and lapsed will also want what they deem to be 'top level speedway with top stars competing' whilst others will simply want regular good racing at a decent price.

As life in general - and speedway in particular - is all about compromise and choices, why not try:-

A 'One League' model comprising all current PL and CL clubs (plus a seperate NL as now) at around or slightly above the current Championship level, possibly split into regions;

Teams comprising 5 or 6 riders only, and featuring only those riders who are based in UK for the whole season.

13 heat format, with some form of engine restriction/moderation for the bikes.

Adult Admission no more than £12; with very good family ticket prices.

PLUS - for those clubs/fans who have a history of and  feel that they would only support a strong top league, let them form a 'Super Elite League' if they feel it would work for them. So what if it might only have a handful of clubs and fixtures, but it features a good number of 'top' riders, if it works for them at whatever admission price would need to be set, then let them do it?! Some sponsors would definitely support it!

If it doesn't work then th'ey can still fall back to the 'One league' option the following season.?

 

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2 hours ago, acef said:

Its the width/entrance to the corners that causes the issue. It's not the size. Scunthorpe is one of the best tracks in the UK and one of the smallest. 

The lay down has caused an issue but that is purely evolution of the bikes. It works everywhere else. 

You can't change the bikes to suit the tracks in one country alone. It would have to be done across the board. Given the product is absolutely fine on the continent where the sport is at its strongest, I find it delusional that some people want to start pissing around with the bikes themselves. 

The implications of that if we did it in the UK would kill the sport here. It would be curtains. 

The majority of European tracks are purpose built for speedway.

UK has a history of a uding greyhound tracks as a venue to fit a track into. It’s part one of the evolution of the sport pre war and after and without those tracks speedway would never have suceeded and become a world sport.

It was fine to a point when the bikes were less powerful but the faster you go the narrower the track gets, try it on the motorway!

Changing track dimensions within the confines of an out of date stadia has been an on going challenge and has resulted in the drop in racing quality over safety in some cases ie overtaking!

 

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35 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

Having spent the last 2 hours going through this whole thread (yes sad isn't it?!) and also reading the SS every week, it seems to me that the sport will never reach a true concensus for the way forward even if it managed to get views from 75% of its patrons - and by 'patrons'' I include sponsors, advertisers and fans as well as riders/mechanics/tuners etc.

IMO the average fan wants to be entertained and get value for money. We must also accept that some fans (and clubs) both current and lapsed will also want what they deem to be 'top level speedway with top stars competing' whilst others will simply want regular good racing at a decent price.

As life in general - and speedway in particular - is all about compromise and choices, why not try:-

A 'One League' model comprising all current PL and CL clubs (plus a seperate NL as now) at around or slightly above the current Championship level, possibly split into regions;

Teams comprising 5 or 6 riders only, and featuring only those riders who are based in UK for the whole season.

13 heat format, with some form of engine restriction.

Adult Admission no more than £12; with very good family ticket prices.

PLUS - for those clubs/fans who have a history of and  feel that they would only support a strong top league, let them form a 'Super Elite League' if they feel it would work for them. So what if it might only have a handful of clubs and fixtures, but it features a good number of 'top' riders, if it works for them at whatever admission price would need to be set, then let them do it?! Some sponsors would definitely support it!

If it doesn't work then th'ey can still fall back to the 'One league' option the following season.?

 

...I admire your resilience!

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1 hour ago, Daytripper said:

 Yes back to the subject. The BSPA have now pulled the plug on the   Lakeside -v- Peterborough fixture on 27th July. This fixture has now  been submitted, approved , withdrawn, re-instated and  withdrawn again. This would have been a profitable fixture for Lakeside , partly because it is the start of the school holidays, and partly because Peterborough is near enough to attract more visiting fans than most other clubs. Interestingly, it so happens that Scunthorpe are racing the same day.

Still no comment from the BSPA.

There was a BSPA meeting due to be held today. It remains to be seen whether the fans are given more   information after todays conflab, or whether we will once again be referred to the nearest brick wall for a full statement.

I have heard the expression "fans" said a member of BSPA but am not quite certain what it means

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3 minutes ago, wealdstone said:

I have heard the expression "fans" said a member of BSPA but am not quite certain what it means

 

Doh ....... cos of the hot weather!   :)

 

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4 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Developed into what ? Bikes that don’t work in the wet or on anything other than a billiard table of a track, if tracks need to be like BV then why are the crowds so low ? Even the poles are looking into  engines, tracks have worked before with different engines, and people who think big tracks are the answer are wrong, 2 big tracks in poland are Gdańsk and gorzow, both get big crowds both have poor racing . I don’t think people are grasping how close other teams are to going the same way as rye house and it’s nothing to do with the size of the tracks or the engines being ridden, but unless costs are addressed the riders are going to be well out of pocket 

As I said earlier, it's not the track size that I have an issue with, so I'm not entirely sure why you've raised that point. 

Speedway should be about entertaining people. So if I could just address one or two of your points. Firstly I don't want speedway to work in the wet. It's boring. It's dangerous. It's never worked. 

Secondly, I've seen numerous top quality meetings on 'billiard' tracks. Conversely I've seen just as many on tracks with dirt on, just have a look at the NSS. 

I'm also fully aware of just how close the sport is to closing. I'm close enough to people involved in it. That is due to many many reasons and poor decision making in years gone by. 

As far as being out of pocket. I don't see that issue in Poland or Sweden. The top boys are making an absolute mint out of this sport. 

If riders can't afford it, then don't race it. It's not a cheap hobby. 

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2 hours ago, GWC said:

The majority of European tracks are purpose built for speedway.

UK has a history of a uding greyhound tracks as a venue to fit a track into. It’s part one of the evolution of the sport pre war and after and without those tracks speedway would never have suceeded and become a world sport.

It was fine to a point when the bikes were less powerful but the faster you go the narrower the track gets, try it on the motorway!

Changing track dimensions within the confines of an out of date stadia has been an on going challenge and has resulted in the drop in racing quality over safety in some cases ie overtaking!

 

Absolutely right. It's not an easy fix and whilst it's disappointing, the answer is going to be difficult to find. Imo, I don't think the sport has a future at a professional level here in the UK. Its been on life support for a long time, we are just counting down the days.

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22 minutes ago, acef said:

As I said earlier, it's not the track size that I have an issue with, so I'm not entirely sure why you've raised that point. 

Speedway should be about entertaining people. So if I could just address one or two of your points. Firstly I don't want speedway to work in the wet. It's boring. It's dangerous. It's never worked. 

Secondly, I've seen numerous top quality meetings on 'billiard' tracks. Conversely I've seen just as many on tracks with dirt on, just have a look at the NSS. 

I'm also fully aware of just how close the sport is to closing. I'm close enough to people involved in it. That is due to many many reasons and poor decision making in years gone by. 

As far as being out of pocket. I don't see that issue in Poland or Sweden. The top boys are making an absolute mint out of this sport. 

If riders can't afford it, then don't race it. It's not a cheap hobby. 

Yes the top boys are making a mint but that’s not true of the lesser riders , some of the deals the reserves are on is poor, I agree it’s not cheap, my point is the sport is pretty much finished as a professional sport in Britain for now and needs to realise this and accept it and build itself back up which is going to take time ,riders are going to get less money, I’m trying to give something back to them, I don’t really care if they loose money but I would rather the sport moves forward and it’s cheaper for the riders and more importantly the fans, I didn’t raise the point of track size someone else did I was just replying to it, the NSS doesn’t have a lot of dirt, it’s a relatively slick track but what dirt it does have works because of the speed you can carry into it but if it were made grippy the racing would be poor just like the world team cup semi final last year, it was a one line boring meeting because the rain got into the surface and made more dirt 

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26 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Yes the top boys are making a mint but that’s not true of the lesser riders , some of the deals the reserves are on is poor, I agree it’s not cheap, my point is the sport is pretty much finished as a professional sport in Britain for now and needs to realise this and accept it and build itself back up which is going to take time ,riders are going to get less money, I’m trying to give something back to them, I don’t really care if they loose money but I would rather the sport moves forward and it’s cheaper for the riders and more importantly the fans, I didn’t raise the point of track size someone else did I was just replying to it, the NSS doesn’t have a lot of dirt, it’s a relatively slick track but what dirt it does have works because of the speed you can carry into it but if it were made grippy the racing would be poor just like the world team cup semi final last year, it was a one line boring meeting because the rain got into the surface and made more dirt 

Slicker tracks are better imo. 

There is no easy way to address the problem. I agree with your end game, we share that, but I can't agree with the how. 

The sport works on the continent. By messing around with the equipment your creating a variation of speedway that would be exclusive to the UK. That would alienate half the foreign riders and kill our nations development internationally. I've seen enough cost cutting in this sport over the last 2 decades to understand it doesn't work. It just drives more fans away. 

Every rider and club has a minimum operating cost. The answer to it isn't slicing things in half again and diluting something that works well in other places, its about increasing revenue. 

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