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Or they get a job outside Speedway? Like the majority of riders used to do.... Or they get another team place riding in Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany or France?

Apart from one team, Belle Vue met everyone twice at home and twice away. It was not repetitive. 14 teams can’t meet home and away twice as there are not enough available dates. Once home plus the addition of a north/south league cup would give 19. Add in one cup meeting then that’s a guaranteed 20 meetings with the potential of another 7 Double downers were guaranteed 29 meetings last year with a potential of another 12 so why the hell do they desire one big league? Is it because they think they will get top league money for ALL their meetings as that won’t happen due to the strength of the league. They will get second division money for ALL their meetings. So they will lose up to 34% of their meetings and have a lower mean average wage per meeting. Double whammy and they want that?

It was previously said that Matt Ford had 6 riders signed and there was an issue with the 7th (seems to be someone was lined up but not happening now) and a problem to replace them. Could be that any more team announcements are being delayed as that might need another change? Beau Bailey doesn't yet have a work permit, so unlikely to announce before he at least meets the criteria. The uncertainty over the leagues probably isn't helping speed things along either.

Apart from one team, Belle Vue met everyone twice at home and twice away. It was not repetitive. 14 teams can’t meet home and away twice as there are not enough available dates. Once home plus the addition of a north/south league cup would give 19. Add in one cup meeting then that’s a guaranteed 20 meetings with the potential of another 7 Double downers were guaranteed 29 meetings last year with a potential of another 12 so why the hell do they desire one big league? Is it because they think they will get top league money for ALL their meetings as that won’t happen due to the strength of the league. They will get second division money for ALL their meetings. So they will lose up to 34% of their meetings and have a lower mean average wage per meeting. Double whammy and they want that?

British Speedway simply can't fuction without the D/UP Scheme and a Two Tier Structure that see's PREM Clubs footing the bill when it comes to British Riders. I don't buy certain excuses and obstacles when it comes to Glasgow and Poole. Both of these Clubs would be Title Challengers in the PREM, They wouldn't be carrying on from where the Spires and Brummies left off. For example -> Poole are very close with the Holder and Cook Brothers. Every route / avenue hasn't been explored until these Two Clubs have made the same effort as Oxford did when they put British Speedway First by stepping out of thier comfort zone. Yes it didn't work out.....But will all due respect to Oxford, They're not a Club like Glasgow or Poole. The Sports future in the UK shouldn't revolve around One Club's Fixtures against Berwick and Edinburgh. The Sports future in the UK shouldn't revolve around One Promotions favoured Race Night.

I think pretty much everyone on here recognises that it is very much a collective. . And pretty much everyone on here also seem to recognise that the top league is an unsustainable, unfit for purpose, busted flush, that not enough people want to support financially by attending in enough numbers, and not enough teams want to join for those very reasons... The time has come, (it actually came around two decades ago) for less full time professionals and more semi pro riders.... One job outside of speedway, should they not want to go overseas once or twice a week, and one job in Speedway.. How it "used to be" before Doubling Up and Guestfests became the operating model so riders could become full time professionals with plenty of meetings.. I always think if is quite telling how that when the sport was popular, the promoters were mainly businessmen and entrepreneur's who did "all sorts" to get a crowd in, and didn't do a deal unless they benefited too... Nowadays many promoters are ex riders, and I just wonder whether some are too close to the riders, and have too much of an affinity to them...

Thomsen was judged by all Tigers fans when he lost to every single Workington rider (twice to Bowes) whilst guesting at Ashfield for the Tigers. I would take Max Perry or Jack Smith ahead of Thomsen, even if that left us 2 points below the limit. I used the playoff final as an example that the Workington match wasn't a one off bad match. He also looked off the pace. Nothing personal against the guy but I think he'd be better off at a track like Plymouth that he rides well

That doesnt seem to happen though, and hasnt happened in the previous 20+ years so why would it start happening now?

Do love a good guessing game tbh. 😄 Be a bit boring if we knew what the team was 😉

Doesn't tell the whole story though Somerset, Peterborough, Rye House all stepped up and are no more. Ipswich and Sheffield stepped up. Newcastle went bankrupt. Edinburgh, Glasgow, Berwick, Workington, Plymouth, Scunthorpe and Redcar are all still there. Coventry, Lakeside, Swindon and Wolves are no more. Poole dropped down. BV, KL and Leicester are still there. "Hopefully" but you lose your own fans preferred race night. You lose your local derbies (Glasgow v Edinburgh 10 times is a bit much, but you can sell that better than Glasgow v BV/Ipswich/KL 4 times each). Every club paying riders beyond their means does not make a sport viable. Better riders do not always make better races. GP rider Jason Doyle could be signed in the Championship on a converted 11.79 average and would win most races by half a lap (Yawn!). They do not increase your crowds as Joe Public have never heard of them. A shrinking league and constant repetition of fixtures is not attractive to fans or tv. Close races with evenly balanced teams provides more entertainment. And for all of Glasgow's success last year, they had a lot of last heat deciders (particularly away from home).

Sounds like someone must be in talks to move up?

Spotify apart from last weeks episode.

i think the pushback would be it leaves the prem with 4 teams, and that isnt feasible so then the championship promoters are thinking the other prem teams will also want to move down, potentially affecting current team building.

Folk on here for the large part appear not to grasp or at least wish to acknowledge Prem & Champ leagues are not individual entities but part of the BSPL. A workable solution needs to be found that represents the best interests of the collective BSPL. Should an impasse prevail and a solution to the current problems facing the prem cannot be agreed and implemented it would be a complete mistake to assume the consequences will only effect those clubs currently in the Prem as the implications will be far more reaching and severely impact most if not all champ clubs to (for some) oblivion.

Seems strange this offseason, usually the Poole team is sort of signed and sealed before the season ends. But we seem to be guessing a bit more now. Is Anders a definite no? we were convinced Zach was gone, but with no announcement of him skipping the championship you’d assume he’s back? Is Beau Bailey just noise and wishful thinking? No news on Kerr, I’d have him back as along with Nick Morris he’s on that high 6 figure who could certainly up it to an 8 Lawson Cairns signed Cooper heavily rumoured Bowes seems to be on his way here aswell? other than that it’s just us guessing?

If its a straight majority vote then it only takes 3 Championship clubs to join the 4 remaining Premiership clubs to turn the request down....

With no Premiership there is no viable level for the Championshio either Rider numbers and costs are only possible in the Championship due to subsidy from Premiership funding

Will it be Fraser Bowes lol

You miss my point. Hopefully by being successful at the highest level you can attract more people through the gate . More sales of merchandise etc. if clubs showed more ambition and operated at the highest level possible, then that league would become more viable, the racing would undoubtedly be better, more teams with better riders. Meaningful success. Improve the sport as a product. Hopefully more attractive for the tv and the ££ that would bring. Clubs dictating to the sport is all wrong. In my opinion.

Unfortunately I think Glasgow bound now, was worky bound at one time

Ok I’ll keep it to my opinion then

Not that’s it worth anything but my opinion is if we wait till January and then it’s announced a 5 or even 6 team premier with or without tv money then the speedway is in big trouble next year, nobody wants a premier league to see the same teams over and over, last year with 7 teams it was repetitive,let’s hope something happens in the coming week/s to force it to be 1 league and we can get on with making that keague work to the best of its ability, I’d of liked the top 5 teams to have wanted to have 1 league by choice but if it is forced then so be it, the fans want it and from what I hear British riders want it too

I understand your sentiment. But since it adds nothing positive to the discussion even if it was bad news. Maybe best to leave posts relating to something that can’t be revealed until they can be?

Cause I did Iain

Define successful? Is winning the top league but losing a mountain of cash more successful than running a profitable enterprise at a lower level? There are different definitions of success but unless the Premiership can offer a financially sustainable model then Championship clubs appear to be sensibly choosing to stay at a level that is viable.