stevehone 3,430 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) i think you're just seeing a rider at the top of his game in Madsen. a MASSIVE part of speedway is confidence, and everyone has their limits to how far they will push. even that very tiny 100th of a second faster into a turn and that adds up over 4 laps. some go that extra because of what's in their head. **edit - and after watching Troy Batchelor last week, my first thought was that his partner is pregnant. Troy is a good rider, you don't just drop like that. i think when he comes to terms with riding while his partner is pregnant, he'll be scoring points again, but he'll need to ride. seen it with plenty of riders, i'm not going to name any more, but has a baby on the way/had a baby, and form dips pretty hard. confidence Edited June 30, 2020 by stevehone 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,784 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) The Madsen / Chugunov race has been put on Facebook in a couple of places and you’ve got people moaning about the track and saying they’ve seen better racing at Lakeside I honestly think some British fans just aren’t prepared to enjoy Polish speedway which is a pity for them. It’s not been brilliant but there has been the odd superb race and enough good ones to make it worth watching. Edited June 30, 2020 by Bagpuss 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,995 Posted June 30, 2020 Anything is more exciting when it is ‘your’ team. You can just pick a team and make it yours, but if you have no real affinity with a polish or Swedish or Czech team then it is really often boring. And tbh I have seen my own team in a boring meeting or two where the track announcer was getting all worked up because the score was close. That is his job, but the meeting was still boring..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,022 Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: I honestly think some British fans just aren’t prepared to enjoy Polish speedway which is a pity for them. It’s not been brilliant but there has been the odd superb race and enough good ones to make it worth watching. I know it can't be helped... but isn't it ironic that the BSPL went with the Eurosport TV deal to attract Polish viewers & sponsors and we in Britain all end up watching Polish speedway on Premier TV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted June 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Bagpuss said: The Madsen / Chugunov race has been put on Facebook in a couple of places and you’ve got people moaning about the track and saying they’ve seen better racing at Lakeside I honestly think some British fans just aren’t prepared to enjoy Polish speedway which is a pity for them. It’s not been brilliant but there has been the odd superb race and enough good ones to make it worth watching. 100%. And as a watcher of Polish Speedway over the past few years, it gets even better when the crowds are filling the stadiums to capacity.. The racing seems to take on even more of an edge when tens of thousands of fans are either screaming out in adulation, or disgust at their riders.. This year there has been some cracking racing, and I think some fans just equate passing in races as a benchmark to their standard.. In Poland you seldom get one rider miles in front of everyone else given there is usually two decent world level heat leaders in most races, and many of the races have two seperate battles for 1st and 2nd and then 3rd and 4th, given the close nature of the standards of the riders.. You can have some great racing with no passing at all, eg cant remember which race the other day, but it ended 5-1 to Czestowocha but it looked like synchronised speedway with the Wroclaw riders riding five yards behind for virtually the whole of the race, trying to find a way through.. (Might have been Woffy and Chugunov?) The whole experience from the mechanics in club colours, the fans in club colour T shirts, through to the 2 mins use and start marshall/ref communication to align the riders straight and right up to the tapes, and then the racing itself, is truly light years ahead of what we have over here.. And that's no disrespect to British Speedway as that it the way it should be with the millions of PLN it attracts.. But to think what we see in the UK is better, I do have to say is pushing the boundaries of reality a little bit far.. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,022 Posted June 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, mikebv said: The 2 mins use and start marshall/ref communication to align the riders straight and right up to the tapes, and then the racing itself, is truly light years ahead of what we have over here. I've been watching the "rewind" meetings on the British Speedway YouTube channel... I thought it was quite comical watching last night's Coventry vs King's Lynn match from 2011 with riders seemingly attached with invisible elastic to the tapes as they kept rolling backwards and forwards to and from the tapes... And the week before Danny King quite clearly exceeded the 2 minutes time allowance before the first running of the final... Like in society at the moment once you let these little things go anarchy soon prevails 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, iainb said: I've been watching the "rewind" meetings on the British Speedway YouTube channel... I thought it was quite comical watching last night's Coventry vs King's Lynn match from 2011 with riders seemingly attached with invisible elastic to the tapes as they kept rolling backwards and forwards to and from the tapes... And the week before Danny King quite clearly exceeded the 2 minutes time allowance before the first running of the final... Like in society at the moment once you let these little things go anarchy soon prevails It was also mentioned on this thread how it clearly helps to reduce first bend incidents too, by having all riders leaving the tapes in an arrow straight line... Rather than the all four firing off in different directions like we can get over here.. It sometimes resembles the start of Wacky Races... The ref and marshall are linked up too, so should a rider roll back when the marshall's back is turned when he moves on to another rider, or even if he goes straight into 'under starters orders' mode, the ref will let him know if anyone has moved and he goes back and sorts them out again... With some conviction and authority.. Be ready to race when the 2 mins clock expires following the marshall's instructions.. Or you are out... So simple and yet so effective... And so professional.... Edited June 30, 2020 by mikebv 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,375 Posted June 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, mikebv said: It was also mentioned on this thread how it clearly helps to reduce first bend incidents too, by having all riders leaving the tapes in an arrow straight line... Rather than the all four firing off in different directions like we can get over here.. It's sometimes resembles the start of Wacky Races... The ref and marshall are linked up too, so should a rider roll back when the marshall's back is turned when he moves on to another rider, or even if he goes straight into 'under starters orders' mode, the ref will let him know if anyone has moved and he goes back and sorts them out again... With some conviction and authority.. Be ready to race when the 2 mins clock expires following the marshall's instructions.. Or you are out... So simple and yet so effective... And so professional.... The starting procedure in Poland is streets ahead of UK, think a 2 min clock Should be made compulsory in UK for starters.The riders don’t mess the Start Marshal about in Poland and it all runs fairly smoothly. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,407 Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, iainb said: I've been watching the "rewind" meetings on the British Speedway YouTube channel... I thought it was quite comical watching last night's Coventry vs King's Lynn match from 2011 with riders seemingly attached with invisible elastic to the tapes as they kept rolling backwards and forwards to and from the tapes... And the week before Danny King quite clearly exceeded the 2 minutes time allowance before the first running of the final... Like in society at the moment once you let these little things go anarchy soon prevails I have, also, been viewing quite a few rewind meetings & races on YouTube & there has been a few when even the riders have come to the tapes, the riders do their gardening then adjust the clutch lever. The video clip has sometimes run to 1.20 - 1.30 minutes. In the 10 or 12 meetings that Poland have had, how many heats have had restarts because of movement or tape infringements? Probably less than we have in ONE meeting! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 5,022 Posted June 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, Fromafar said: The starting procedure in Poland is streets ahead of UK, think a 2 min clock Should be made compulsory in UK for starters.The riders don’t mess the Start Marshal about in Poland and it all runs fairly smoothly. Have you any idea how much a 2 minute clock costs? Maybe they could do like they did with the track covers and ferry it about between clubs... come to think of it, whatever happened to the track covers? Maybe it's with Colin Meredith's elastic band starting gate mechanism replacement kit 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted June 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, Fromafar said: The starting procedure in Poland is streets ahead of UK, think a 2 min clock Should be made compulsory in UK for starters.The riders don’t mess the Start Marshal about in Poland and it all runs fairly smoothly. Are you saying that British tracks have no 2xminute clock and no radio link between Start Marshall and Referee's box?? Clearly not been to Poole lately!!! I cannot comment on other tracks as I am unable to visit these days!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted June 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, iainb said: Have you any idea how much a 2 minute clock costs? Maybe they could do like they did with the track covers and ferry it about between clubs... come to think of it, whatever happened to the track covers? Maybe it's with Colin Meredith's elastic band starting gate mechanism replacement kit Or use two thirds of a sand egg timer? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,736 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) Teams announced for Friday`s matches Gorzow v Czestochowa Gorzow 9 Zmarzlik 10 NKI 11 Kasprzak 12 Wozniak 13 Thomsen 14 Jasinski 15 Karczmarz Czestochowa 1 Doyle 2 Holta 3 Lindgren 4 Przedpelski 5 Madsen 6 Miskowiak 7 Swidnicki Lublin v Rybnik Lublin 9 G Laguta 10 Jamrog 11 Hampel 12 Zagar 13 Michelsen 14 Lampart 15 Trofymov 16 Bober Rybnik 1 Milik 2 Miedzinski 3 Lebedevs 4 Logachev 5 Woryna 6 Nowacki 7 Tudziez Edited June 30, 2020 by racers and royals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,375 Posted June 30, 2020 49 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Are you saying that British tracks have no 2xminute clock and no radio link between Start Marshall and Referee's box?? Clearly not been to Poole lately!!! I cannot comment on other tracks as I am unable to visit these days!! Certain tracks I have visited don’t have 2min.Clock and certainly no Radio Link between Start Marshall and Ref.Im a saying it should be made compulsory. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,736 Posted June 30, 2020 53 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Are you saying that British tracks have no 2xminute clock and no radio link between Start Marshall and Referee's box?? Clearly not been to Poole lately!!! I cannot comment on other tracks as I am unable to visit these days!! Blimey - Poole will be getting a track man next 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites