Peterborough Panthers 2023

[arnieg 3,650]

42 minutes ago, Noodles said:

When does a licence cease to exist?

When THE BSPL decide it no longer exists.

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6 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said:

No problem with that, so if Buster hadn't bought it we only have conjecture as to whether they would have continued. 

We’ve had it from the horses mouth on here that they would have continued if the sale didn’t go through. 

[Deano 1,318]

9 hours ago, Noodles said:

So if I wanted to set up a track in Milton Keynes and call it Milton Keynes Knights, someone still owns the rights to that name?  What if I called it Milton Keynes Cavaliers? 

Tony Mole owned the license to Birmingham Brummies Speedway from 1986. Only  Tony had sole option to re-open the club in 2007. 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Deano

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9 hours ago, Noodles said:

When does a licence cease to exist?

When the ice thaws!! (See Swindon)

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12 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Fair point, but 'Arena Essex Hammers' is nearly 40 years old.

The point is that if you're starting up a speedway team again you'd surely want to use the name that the club has always had would you not.

Did anyone abstain from Redcar's revival because it wasn't called Middlesbrough? You'd probably get the odd floating fan in with the old name but it wouldn't make that much difference.

[Pinny 2,536]

Always wondered what happens to old clubs and who holds their naming rights once they have gone?

 

Do the Malletts still own the rights to Newport Wasps, Legg to Reading Racers etc or do they expire?

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Activity at the track today it would seem.

Shale piled up on the outside, telehandler and something else around the pits area. Most likely the clear-up / collection stage.

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40 minutes ago, Pinny said:

Always wondered what happens to old clubs and who holds their naming rights once they have gone?

 

Do the Malletts still own the rights to Newport Wasps, Legg to Reading Racers etc or do they expire?

Naming rights typically refers to where a sponsors name is linked to a preexisting item, such as a stadium or team . i.e Brighton FC ground is actually the Falmer Stadium, but known for sponsorship purposes as the American Express Stadium and more commonly referred to as the Amex. These naming rights are covered by a contract drawn up between the invested parties where Brighton FC  receive payment for the duration of the contract (the term) It can then be renewed. 

In the case of a speedway team name, this is covered by Trade Mark law where the  "mark" at the time of its creation needs to be unique in design comprising either a made up word, two or more words (Newport Wasps) a logo/emblem or any combination of those three. - Think of the adidas name and three stripe logo. 

Once the Tm has been registered the owner is afforded protection for an initial 10 years after which the registration can  be extended every 10 years in perpetuity.  However, if the TM registration is not renewed the owner loses rights to exclusivity.

Registered TMs  appear on a company's balance sheet as an intangible asset.  

[NeilWatson 1,988]

12 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said:

No problem with that, so if Buster hadn't bought it we only have conjecture as to whether they would have continued. 

There is no conjecture. I have explained the situation, as a Peterborough Club Promoter at the time, you will not get anything more definitive.

[Crump99 4,476]

3 hours ago, Method said:

Activity at the track today it would seem.

Shale piled up on the outside, telehandler and something else around the pits area. Most likely the clear-up / collection stage.

AEPG usually react next day to any positive press so that's a strategy change if they are doing something physically destructive. Just when they thought they couldn't become more unpopular then they might just be having a go? Next focus of attention will be any as yet unnamed mug companies that get hooked up with them to facilitate their local disaster.

Edited October 12, 2023 by Crump99

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1 hour ago, Crump99 said:

AEPG usually react next day to any positive press so that's a strategy change if they are doing something physically destructive. Just when they thought they couldn't become more unpopular then they might just be having a go? Next focus of attention will be any as yet unnamed mug companies that get hooked up with them to facilitate their local disaster.

Sorry, I mean most likely Buster / Panthers / Who ever collecting the associated bits and pieces. Wasn't suggesting anything untoward.

[SPEEDY69 1,260]

2 hours ago, NeilWatson said:

There is no conjecture. I have explained the situation, as a Peterborough Club Promoter at the time, you will not get anything more definitive.

Thanks, that's great.  As an outsider it would be great to know things like what are the criteria for acceptance into the BSPL club as it seems to be something which can be granted or not dependent upon your face fitting, including the granting or cessation of licences.

[Pinny 2,536]

9 hours ago, 1 valve said:

Naming rights typically refers to where a sponsors name is linked to a preexisting item, such as a stadium or team . i.e Brighton FC ground is actually the Falmer Stadium, but known for sponsorship purposes as the American Express Stadium and more commonly referred to as the Amex. These naming rights are covered by a contract drawn up between the invested parties where Brighton FC  receive payment for the duration of the contract (the term) It can then be renewed. 

In the case of a speedway team name, this is covered by Trade Mark law where the  "mark" at the time of its creation needs to be unique in design comprising either a made up word, two or more words (Newport Wasps) a logo/emblem or any combination of those three. - Think of the adidas name and three stripe logo. 

Once the Tm has been registered the owner is afforded protection for an initial 10 years after which the registration can  be extended every 10 years in perpetuity.  However, if the TM registration is not renewed the owner loses rights to exclusivity.

Registered TMs  appear on a company's balance sheet as an intangible asset.  

So assuming the old Newport Wasps promotion havent renewed it, the name Newport Wasps would be available for anyone should a new track happen to open up in Newport?

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1 hour ago, Pinny said:

So assuming the old Newport Wasps promotion havent renewed it, the name Newport Wasps would be available for anyone should a new track happen to open up in Newport?

Yes assuming the potential new owner of the club could obtain promotional rights for speedway in Newport from BSPA. 

FYI / this is what happened at Leicester (Lions)

Edited October 12, 2023 by 1 valve

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