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I`m sure everyone watching on BT sport enjoyed that, and they better make the most of it as the next TV match in a fortnight`s time is from Poole !!!!!!!

I watched Peter Collins, Chris Morton etc riding for Belle Vue in the 70s and 80s. I also attended Ellesmere Port during the same period. Despite being a lower standard, I never yearned to see the superstars when I watched the second division lads. I just loved speedway.

Oh for crying out loud....at least a couple of people realised what was intended. I was on my phone at the time and it wouldn't let me put a smiley/emoji (or whatever they're called). It was a sarcastic/ironic/sardonic/satirical/derisive comment that was in no way meant to be taken seriously. In other words, a joke. Has everyone got that? I was not being serious. OK?

So if your half a bike length up you can basically just shove the other rider into the fence because ' you are in front' Max Fricke is by no means a dirty rider but that move wasnt good .....the commentary team pretty much said the same He was half a bike length up and left Harris no room at all. Its not up to Harris to throttle off if he is only half a bike length down, he should have been able to ride up to the next corner in that straight line. I also cant understand how the race wasnt awarded either Could have cost us a point maybe Its all well and good saying that Bewley had a poor night and so did Wells , but on the plus side Worrall rode and scored really well. Also Ipswich reserves had a poor meeting to. Its all if buts and maybes. All i know is that if we can keep this up then i dont fear anyone over 2 legs

Wonder how many people in Manchester even know about speedway at the NSS?

Great debut from Cook. He will turn out to be a terrific signing for sure. Good team performance tonight. Heat 13 and 15 were great but without being negative those heats were the exception. From memory 11 heats were FTG without passes. Stop grading the track every 3-4 heats which basically means there's only one line around the inside.

So if rider A crosses the finish line half a bikes length in front of rider B he was not in front at the time they crossed the line.

Speedway gets many, many hours of advertising out of the BT deal.. That they choose not to highlight themselves as a 'popular place to visit' isn't BT's fault... Last night they should have ran with cheap tickets, filled the Grandstand, and had huge banners advertising various sponsors and the club website, twitter, fb page etc covering the empty back straight.. Or at the very least move all the Grandstand people together and covered the vacant seating with advertising banners like champions league football does with the first few rows.. When the SWC was at BV a few years ago we got 'upgraded' free of charge to the seating erected on bends three/four Why? Because this was the area that was going to get most covered on TV as it was directly in line with the camera covering the starts.. Unpurchased, empty seating would have made the event look 'unpopular'.. So much of advertising and marketing is about hype.. If it looks successful many 'sheep' will follow it and grow it's success.. And vice versa, the same is also true.. It it looks unpopular, it will stay unpopular unless something changes.. And 'build it and they will come' simply doesn't cut it anymore... The Aces have a huge asset in that circuit. They now need to get a marketing plan that actually does it justice..

Agreed on Allerdale's ambition and i too want the stadium to go ahead. I'm not bleating about the shale or the boards per se, its the bigger picture of track demolition including the attempted break up of the slag sub base. Surely for this to happen someone somewhere must have decreed that speedway will never again take place at Derwent Park. I'm appealing for some openness and honesty from an official source about what the bigger picture is and where the Comets now fit into that.

Fricke hadn’t passed Harris though. Passing is when Fricke back wheel is in front of Harris front wheel. But Fricke’s footrest (middle of his bike) went through the spokes of Harris front wheel. Fricke basically hoped Harris would back off but he didn’t. Fricke to blame and rightly excluded.

It will be close, but then the tapes will go up for heat 1 and the gap will increase gradually. Will Tungate even be there you wont know until you get there . Bates at three oh dear.

R/R for Hans means an easy home win. A decent guest might have got me out, but no chance now ...

Harris had the option of throttling off, he didn't and the correct decision was made.

We were a Craig Cook away from winning that,, if only he was available not so long ago. Good effort though,, heat 13 was always going to be the killer,,we done good though to give ourselves the chance.,,, the Harris and max crash should have been awarded as Berge was way back,,,

I heard talk of an open top bus tour through Sittingbourne....

Poole might have a couple of half decent riders in heats 13 and 15 it’s just the others that let them down. I thought we would have got thumped tonight so a great result I’d love Ipswich to sneak that last play off place behind Belle Vue , Peterborough and possibly Lynn now. Im sure if Poole get their track sorted they could avoid the wooden spoon

What a fantastic race track you guys at Belle Vue have. The place should be packed every week.

Don’t agree. If we had bigger hitters up top we wouldn’t have the strength in reserve or the solid look from top to bottom. We’ve beaten teams comfortably this year with our top scorer not even hitting double figures. The team is built so that every rider from 1-7 score half decent points, which totals up to winning meetings, and being competitive in others. Belle Vue are a good side, especially at home obviously, but if this was a play off final I’d fancy our chances of finishing this off at Foxhall.

Looks like your information is about as good as your predictions.

I couldnt agree more, good to see a positive post about the management for a change.

How many heats have we all witnessed where a rider falls and then, in the rerun, the rider that was tailed off suddenly pops out of the start and what was a nailed on 5-1 suddenly ends up as a 3-3? An example of this was last night when Ipswich were on a 4-2, then Fricke knocked off Harris. Berge was tailed off. In the rerun Berge got the drop and managed to get second place, turning what really should have been an Ipswich 5-1 into a 4-2. So why not stagger the start for the rerun? Riders go for the rerun in the position they were in when the heat was stopped. The leading rider starts from the tapes. The rider in second starts at 5 metres and the rider in third at ten metres. A rider might still come through from 3rd to first but would have done it fairly. It’s frustrating to see a rider who was nowhere in the first running pop out and win. Please feel free to agree or disagree. Easy to implement. Thoughts?

If a stronger rider is available to replace Ashley Morris then we should do it. Nick Morris needs to start showing some form in the next couple of meetings, he's had a couple to ease back in, now time to start stepping up to the plate. Thorssell being top of the averages doesn't worry me. Whomever drops to No 3 will score big.

Surprised your's isn't David Speight x20

Well said.

They have improved tho the track has been consistent (which it hasn't been for years) racing wasn't great to start with but the last few meetings have been excellent , cook situation could have been better but tungate is a improvement on harris and he has improved the team with recent team changes

I’m sure Bellego lives in Britain? possibly with Nick Morris or Dimi Berge?

We had a similar coming together in the same spot at the last Colts match. This time the rider behind was excluded so it’s swings and roundabouts with decisions like this. Glad in both cases everyone was ok.

I've not seen one aces fan that said fricke SHOULDNT be excluded. Neither on here or at the stadium.

In the same press release, Eastbourne said that their attendances have been 'excellent and well above target' with even the lowest being 'around break even'. I don't think you are wrong here, but it would be easy to paint a picture that is blacker than it actually is.

I may be naïve but I don't believe anyone is out to shaft anyone. Allerdale need to be commended for their ambition and creativity in putting together a plan and a sensible looking funding package by utilising historically low interest rates, to replace 2 decrepit 'stadiums' which are not fit for purpose with a state of the art stadium which will raise the profile of the area and hopefully encourage further development. You never know (with SS's rose tinted glasses on) it maybe even encourage someone to come in to develop Northside at some stage, hopefully with some help from Allerdale who you would think would feel that they owe us a little something. As regards what is presently happening at DP, it is really for the rugby club to decide as it is their stadium so I don't see the point of bleating about the shale and fence boards being removed. Harsh I know, but what do you expect them to do? I just hope that the stadium plans go ahead and are not used as a political football and kicked into the long grass. The new facilities would give this part of West Cumbria a huge lift and benefit the community. It would then of course be up to the community to support it!

I think bomber kept it on in the knowledge that Max is ordinarily a hard but fair rider - had it been pedersen, Lindgren he’d have got off the gas knowing they’re likely to smash him in the fence if he didn’t. Imo it was over the top and I would be saying the same if it was the other way round and an ipswich rider had made that move. I don’t think there was malice in the move, and I’m sure max would much preferred to have finished the race than cause a crash and get excluded, he wasn’t in front he was alongside by at most half a length in front and chose to run that close to the fence - he didn’t have to he chose to which caused the crash - he came across bomber and ran him into the fence - bomber was already there his line didn’t deviate so Max was correctly excluded for being the cause of the incident. people saying oh well they do it in Poland and just get on with it is no excuse to me, have you seen some of the crashes in polish league lately?? Namely the Emil and buszckowski crash at the weekend? Absolutely frightening and completely avoidable. heeps had a superb race with Rory Schlein at Foxhall a few weeks ago getting the better of him finally with a last gasp burn round the outside - when asked about the race afterwards he said “it’s great fun racing closely and hard with someone like Rory as you know it’s going to be hard but fair, you can trust him he’s not gonna try and kill ya!” Surely that’s the sentiment we’d like riders adopt not just “oh I’m half bikes length in front on the back straight get off the throttle or I’m gonna ride through your front wheel into the fence!” theres a lot of Belle Vue fans leaping to the defense of Fricke in this incident but had it been an away rider doing that to a home rider I feel confident you’d be up in arms calling him a dangerous and dirty rider.

Could quite easily be that Cook decided he wants more than just Glasgow meetings and backed down ie agreed a deal on the same terms as he would have been on for P’boro. I doubt we’ll ever know. Although I know who my money would be on as to which of the two parties ‘backed down’.

I hope not! Otherwise we are doomed!

There will always be tracks that certain teams wont go well on With the make up of our team we have riders that all go well at different tracks thus tending to keep us in the mix in most of our away meetings. That can only be good for a 2 leg play off match As i said in the opening post of the thread i expected David and Danny to go well. Lawson and Harris did ok.....and possibly KP was a bit disappointing. We lost mainly due to our reserves only getting 4 each but they have carried us through a lot of meetings so cant exactly blame them for one poor night Looks to me like we are tough to beat over 2 legs which will be a good thing Important now to win our next 2 matches both at home We then have a tough home and away against Lynn and then 3 successive away matches before an easier looking home match v Poole Belle Vue and Peterborough and Ipswich looking good at the moment for top 4 Looking at the table i expect Lynn with there stronger team to climb the table quickly especially considering they have only rode 1 out of 6 matches at home Swindon with Jensen coming in and maybe a good new reserve will start climbing as well Poole and Wolves are the two teams that must be looking over their shoulders could be good when these two meet twice in the middle of the month

I was a bit out saying it was going to be a close meeting? Heres my take on last night.Kent started like a rocket and any doubts were soon gone as the Trophy was in the bag after 4 or 5 heats.Who would of thought it would take as long as Heat 9 for Wood or Morley to record a win! My observations on the Kent team.....Kemp is some prospect and what was noticeable was his style of riding...classy.Rowe also really impressive and again going places.Andrews decent guest and probably worth a bigger score.Ledwith looks a heat leader but maybe tired after his three wins? Clouting tried hard and did well.Young Ablitt (just 15???) What I noticed last night was he was as fast(even faster) than Morley who knows his way round Central Park....some prospect. And this is a weaker Kent team?

Been several times - lovely country Ljubljana is the best to fly to - i have also flown to Trieste, which is very near the Slovenian border. If driving on the motorway in Slovenia you have to buy a Vignette(toll card) for the duration of the stay. best place to stay by far is https://www.terme-catez.si/en/catez/accommodations/hotel-terme which is around 10 miles from the track. If you can spare a few days in Slovenia Lake Bled is a must place to visit along with https://www.postojnska-jama.eu/en/ the caves are wonderful.

They have racing like that every week at Belle Vue,, but I very much doubt its ever packed. So good racing and packed crowds doesn't seem to go together. Maybe Somerset and scunthorpe are paxked as well,,,,,,, no.

Swindon usually get decent crowds on tv meetings when they run a promotion. When they don't run a promotion the crowd is halved. A good meeting last night. What is it with heat 13 at Belle Vue? Always seems to be a cracker. If racing was like that at Swindon every week I reckon the place would be packed. I remember talking to a Belle Vue fan once while working away, who said he used to love going to Belle Vue speedway, but it had "closed down now unfortunately". This was in the days of when they were at the Greyhound Stadium, but perhaps the same still applies in Manchester. Maybe people simply don't know it's there.

Whilst everyone can read and determine the press release differently (i read it as a journalist comment rather than from Redcar re Barker getting another team place) JJ was still fishing for gossip. Its not a secret that Barker can fall out with someone when he is the only person in the room but digging for private details or hoping that others will commit rumour about someones private life to text is just plain wrong.

Let’s face it though, if he was available and willing to go to Kings Lynn then buster never would of let him come to us over them - he’ll always put Lynn first

Right decision by the promotion in my opinion. Good first season. Poor 2nd on crap bikes and was riding a moped this season. Good riddance!

That might be right, but if it was down popularity,,, Barker might still be there. Sometimes, managerial decisions have to be made for what's best for the club, not what a couple of fans think.

Said exactly the same thing to my mate! And why did we need an interval after all the other delays, restarts, grading, two on trot. 2 hours is ridiculous

Matt is one of the better "Promoters" however you can be sure what ever league set-up we have - by hook or crook Poole will be one of the top teams! Chopping & changing teams mid term favors the better off teams & adds to cost all round, team changes should not be allowed other than injury or retirement & with full independent approval!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it will never happen of course..

And to think we allowed Jacob to sign for the Geordies only last week. Doh!

Fricke must have known Harris was there. If certain other riders had of done the same thing, imagine the uproar on here.

Yes but he would be a disaster, you need someone who can win races, otherwise you might as well bring in Wallinger or Parr.

Widman has been riding all season and will be tonight i expect.....its racing that he hasn't been doing.

It is a phenomenal operating model they use isn't it? All trying to win competitions that because of the way they operate them, via a ridiculous set of rules, are rendered virtually worthless... All expecting riders to have the best kit they can get, and paying out sums far in excess of the sports true standing to assist them to purchase it... Fortunes being paid out by riders and promoters resulting in admission costs that are set at the level they are to try and cover that outlay rather than reflect what is actually on offer.. And all ultimately to win competitions hardly anyone gives a monkeys about...? It is truly a race to the bottom isn't it?

Pri1ck like his brothers Holder