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I've got my doubts any club would truly consider signing Jason and expect it to be people jumping to conclusions. However, if Plymouth do then I really cannot see them recovering from the decision. I can completely appreciate he's done his time and ultimately Jason does deserve the opportunity at rehabilitation and leading some form of normality. But being a sportsman is a completely different kettle of fish, it's not just a job or a normal 9-5, you're front and centre in the public and an inspiration to younger fans. Would I want my kids cheering on someone who has robbed a vulnerable disabled person at knife point? Absolutely not and I can imagine most would feel the same. Also need to consider the negative media that'll come from it. The press will have an absolute field day with it dragging Plymouth and the sport through the absolute mud.

you obviously haven't seen Kvech, Bednar, and Klima around Pardubice

Not true, i asked if he had the tactics all sorted prior to the match.....he smiled and shook his little tin of mints at me....

Mystery is, why was this publicised? Many instances of ref's making mistakes (only human) and there was no need to publicly pillory Mr Watters for what may or may not have been the wrong decision on the night. Better to have a quiet word...

Let's hope your guess is wrong.

People go on about Brums strength but that scorecard is littered with riders who could and should be doing better.

Earnerlenko!

Any promoter who even thinks of employing Garrity after the shocking crime he committed need there head looking at the bloke is scum

Luke Killeen for Leon Flint..... crazy if you ask me.

Should be a good battle! Looking forward to this one even more now with Riss and Nicholls in the Oxford side.

I think you just did...

Totally agree with these comments, Ross for Kerr, then decide who to drop when Kerr returns, seems an obvious solution.

Could have used different words considering what he done. Any promoter with half a brain cell, no matter how talented, shouldn’t touch him with a barge pole. If he was signed for my club, I’d go nowhere near no matter how much I love the sport.

Ermolenko hasn't a clue about team tactics

I think it would be madness to drop a 6.5 Champ rider, for one still on his 2.00 starting ave. While Flint has been a disappointment, he's still far better than Killeen. Maybe in the future Killeen would be a good signing, but Brummies need points now.

It's still early doors and line ups can change but I just feel like patience is zero with the fans due to how poor they've been for quite a while now. They showed promise early doors but this fixture against an out of form lions side is a huge opportunity missed. I just really don't get how all the fans can see that the team is poor but the the guys in charge of team building think its a decent side? How did Oxford put a semi decent side together but Birmingham couldn't? I know Oxford have a few quid lying around but tolley isn't afraid to cough up the money. Didn't he say he would sign Zmarlik if he wanted to ride here?

Yes a bit of a strange decision, Klindt is a far better rider than Riss so must be more to it than meets the eye.

McGregor was the ref on Sat. Draw your own conclusions from that.

I think you and I could be heat leaders in that team

teams don't win, crowds fall off, thats the way it is these days. Fans have changed, its no longer a night at the speedway enjoyable in itself, it has to be a win

Birmingham are in a real mess - unless they make changes the losing run will continue and the fans will drift away. Really can't understand why they signed Milik - never rated him and he has never done anything in England. They still haven't worked out that Worrall is hopeless unless he can ride at number two - never understood why - it must be a confidence thing. Much has been made about Flint over the last couple of years but he is going nowhere and is not getting any better. If Klindt is available that might be an option but they need at least one more heat leader from somewhere even if they sign him - depends how deep Mr Tolley's pockets are but unless he does something its hard to see them lasting the season.

Id rather Plymouth new riders was discussed on Plymouth thread And garity was discussed only in court news or such like

Oh well, that's OK then....

Flint should be one of the best rising stars, especially looking at his Champ average, but he's not riding like it. Not to put all the pressure on him, but Birmingham needed him to show that's he's the highest ranked RS for them to be competitive. But dropping points against strugglers Boughen & Joe T (maybe not struggling anymore) ends any chance Birmingham had of challenging for victories. I wouldn't swap him for any unattached RS, as no-one would even score the one point he managed. Nor do I blame Brummies for picking him, he was the obvious choice. But as a young ambitious rider, who wants to make it on the world stage, needs to step up.

The NDL product today is much poorer than it has been for as many years as i care to remember and the admission price is the highest....its simply not a sustainable business model for standalone clubs and relies on top ups from clubs running multiple sides which can't last forever. The writings been on the wall since IOW left

Not only that, in general the racing is pretty boring to watch, yes I know these riders are ' developing ' but some can hardly race. And it should be alot cheaper to get in, the club running the meeting needs to accept this and it would probably attract a bigger crowd.

Had the opportunity 5 years or so ago to continue a successful NDL with more teams, but seemed to be sacrificed because it encroached on the league above. Could see what was going to happen then and it's definitely gone the way it was obviously going to go, with the clamour for points lowering and the " it's a development league" , which drove out some of the experienced guys to help with the youngsters developing. I know cost were a problem, but lowering the points didn't really help the 'smaller' clubs and sure the likes of Eastbourne, Kent, and Mildenhall would have continued and thrived in a decent level NDL , certainly a time when Brennen, Edwards and Abblit seemed to develop ok at Eastbourne. Think this league will be lucky to survive as it's virtually no longer develops and it's not really a league.

Looks like Give us a B is holding fire until tomorrow, I dread to think what his mood will be like having paid to watch what can best be described in an old fashioned way as Tripe .

Must admit, I didn’t think it would be that easy for the Lions. Fricke continues to under perform but everyone contributed for the visitors, with either a win or paid win. I still think that Brum have one of the best reserve pairings (Flint is better than that tonight), but they have no top end or middle order! The assessed averages of their top two would appear to flatter them at the moment but they should be judged in a few weeks time when their actual average will reflect their performances. Dickson’s riding order shuffle will make him look clever tonight, but it would have made no difference to the meeting outcome. In his defence though, I admire him for looking to do something after consecutive home defeats.

I said earlier if the Brummies could'nt win this with this team they would struggle to win a meeting all season, 5-1's from the Leicester reserves against so called Brum Heat leaders is not what the fans want to see, Tolley has 2 choices carry on and lose shed loads more, or put his hand deeper into his pocket and get a true No1, Milik is finding it tough, Worrall is not a heat leader right now he aint a very good second string, Flint flattered to deceive against Sheffield, hard as it may seem Lampart, Milik or Worrall have to make way for a proper No1 goodness me Nigel Tolley needs to bring in quickly a proven experienced team manager that knows who to sign and what he is doing, their was one kicking his heels down in Swindon but Tolley has placed his faith in the wrong people yet again.

Just using speedway updates right now. All I can say I feel so sorry for the Birmingham fans. On the other hand so happy for Joe Thompson.

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Imo poor scores will lead to nothing as far as the RS position goes. He's so far ahead of any possible replacement, he's got the spot for the season 99.99% guaranteed.

Robbed a bank this morning to buy a ticket for the Saturday final !!!

At Least Smith will be number 1 its a lot better than some teams who are trying to develop a 32 year old at reserve

The Birmingham track is predominantly a gaters track and we all know Nicolai is primarily a gater, horses for courses maybe ?, Klindt for Milik or Lampart, as someone else said Klindt for Lampart keeps Cook at reserve for longer, whereas Klindt for Milik gives Brum a bit more wriggle room to bring in the top end rider that they badly need, personally I would offload Milik he is 30 and aint going to get any better, whereas Lampart is 22 and could still improve. I have no idea what they will do but Oxford are not messing around whereas Brum who badly need strengthening up appear to be dithering yet again.

What’s that got to do with it.

Jack Smith replaces Nathan Ablitt at No.1

Believe Luke Muff was helping him. As he was on one of his bikes and in a colts suit.

odd in a way as at Foxhall last year he was really good - beat Doyle fair and square which doesnt happen often!

I’ve just watched the highlights of this meeting on Berwick’s YouTube channel and I have one question… was Stevie Wonder the referee? Etheridge’s exclusion in heat five was beyond harsh; his front wheel was taken away from him by Thomson in what’s surely the perfect definition of first bend bunching. If that was how the referee was governing the entire meeting, then fair enough, but he then went on to allow Castagna back in the re-run of heat fourteen after clipping Borke’s rear wheel, causing a crash. I thought both incidents were the natural risks of bikes hitting a 10M wide corner with no breaks, so all four should have been back for the re-run, but for the referee to discriminate against one - arguably the least offensive, too - and not the other, is outrageous. Are referees held accountable in speedway? If Berwick dropped points on Saturday night, they would have had every right to be furious. Shocking, bizarre and outright poor refereeing.

I agree Cook is better at reserve than Milik, but that won't be an option once Milik & Lampart get new averages. My point was Milik at reserve is better than Lampart at reserve. Personally I'd give them a little more time before making changes, but they should at least be sounding out some possible replacements.

Klindt sacked - Riss in!

is he though?

No he's correct the match you are referring to was on 30 July. But Laguta rode (for Peterborough) against Leicester on 7 Sept scoring a max. But it is also worth noting that Laguta'a away scores were stunningly unimpressive, including 4 at Leicester losing to Sedgmen and Allen

But out of control maybe because of something he may have taken

Exactly because at the moment the ndl is a complete waste of time .

the people he robbed and threatened are prob STILL having the nightmares of the whole thing . please if any team is looking at signing please .DO NOT sign him his actions were not a mistake , they were planned by soneone with very little respect for fellow human beings ..

RIP John.. Lovely bloke, when I was working for a rider back in the day he always made a point of coming over and saying hello to me despite me being just a spanner for an away rider although we did guest a bit for Ippo..

Jenga I know you like winding people up, but I think this thread should be left to rot, a bit like the said person this thread is about !!