Gavan

i misunderstood that premier league averages werent being converted but just being transferred and i held my hands up to that. I said EDR riders wouldnt have a conversion and they havent had a conversion so i was right in that sense as Newman isnt 3.79. And yes i got that bit wrong which i admitted. 3 people told me that i should be annoyed because Newmans average was converted..........it wasnt. I will apologise that i misread the rules But so did all the others when they said it was being converted. And technically i was right anyway as there have been no conversions so everything fits in.

Im not sure Ellis has been that harshly treated. He averaged the same as Newman but from riding mainly in the top 5. He is quite clearly a better long term prospect then Newman, and it can be argued that he is a better rider already What would you have expected him to average in the Premier league last season? Around 7 would be a good guess. Kyle Newman is 6.91 next season Adam Ellis is 7.71 next season, a difference of 0.8 which probably is a true reflection of there ability. I agree that there is no premier average to work from but when you compare him to the likes of Newman then his average is bang on

Ok so now i get it. Premier league averages just transfer across so Newman will be 6.79. I await the apologies from Shovlar and Skiddet and Lisa Colette as the premier league conversion has been scrapped. Wow Poole are in the deep stuff. Newman 6.79. Ellis over 7. Kurtz over 9. Buck Gomolski over 8. Andersen over 10 and Holder over 12.

which bit? All riders who have solely ridden elite league will be multiplied by 1.4. That's Holder Andersen Buck Pedersen Lindback Gomolski Watt to name a few. If a rider rode in both leagues they will be on their premier league conversion so Newman only from last season. Riders like Cook King Worrall Starke and many many more will use premier conversion not there elite average multiplied.

And I was correct they won't convert only the EDR riders and they didn't. Newmans average although low ties in properly with the likes of Worrall and Bates. Ellis has almost ride himself out of a team spot as his average will be over 7. Seems daft that a young Brit is penalised but as his dad has said its the average we can take it as truth. Newman stalling in his career gets 3.79, Ellis far more promising lumbered with over 7!! Only on British speedway!!!

in answer to the troll I'm totally happy with what I said which was a mockery if the EDR riders had converted averages. All premier league boys have been converted so I was spot on. But yet again you failed to read properly. Oh and Adam's dad has already said his average is high next year so no he won't have the National league taken into account.In response to Gater you have Holders average correct but Newman will have a premier league conversion so is 3.79. Poole can't even use their asset base as they are all elite league ridrrs whose averages will be multiplied by 1.4, so to high for the likes of Lindback or Madsen. Tough times for Matt Ford I'm sure he has his head in his hands right now

wrong averages there for everyone except Nicholls. The others all take their premier averages divided by 1.4

no your wrong mate. Newman and Kurtz will have converted Premier league averages

wrong. If a rider rides in both leagues he converts his premier average. The 1.4 multiplication is for riders who SOLELY ride elite

correct but a couple of the usual Poole suspects seem to have not understood lol

maybe but I can see lots of skullduggery going on. All of Pooles assets have there average mulitiplief by 1.4 so those who have ridden for them solely in the elite league become riders nobody will want. Holder will be over 12 for example. This means that after the first set of averages are published and teams are way under the 50 points that a 4 pointer can be replaced by an 8 pointer. So to start with Poole will have issues but they will change half the side no doubt

ok you need to learn to understand buddy. I would be pig sick if premier league averages had been used SOLELY for the EDR. As it happens ALL double uppers have been converted including the likes of Cook and King so no I'm not pig sick because although Newmans 3.79 is a mockery then so are so many others so it levels up. Poole have lost out big time with Ellis have you read the AGM?? I'm guessing not as you have no idea as to why some of there assets can't be used

mwhahaha nope not at all because you yet again don't read what I wrote. I said Premier league averages won't be used for EDR only as it would be farcical. And there not its every rider who rode both so Belle Vue get Worrall, Cook and Jacobs on great averages where as Poole lose out with Ellis being multiplied by 1.4. So they at least saw sense in making every double upper convert. And the fact that Poole can't use some assets makes it tough

Not surprised that yet again the powers that be haven't done anything to improve the sport. So glad my team haven't gone up. But yes Poole have been hard hit by the new rules

think you are right there as well. Mark was never ever a dirty or hard rider but as i say he completely misjudged the speed Tony was going into the corner and took him off. Even a die-hard Brit and Loram fan everyone knew Mark had to go. Speaking to him at a later date he said the same but thats why he just didnt do anything but wait on his bike and if they excluded him he wouldnt have argued. Only seen Mark really angry 3 times. Once when Nielsen rode him hard in a gp , Mark passed him back and give him the longest look over a shoulder ever as they crossed the line. Then when Nicki had him off in a gp and Mark was on his bike for the re run bashing the gate as the race started, and then finally after Lee Richardson fenced him in the British Final at Coventry.

Your correct. Mark misjudged the entry to the corner and took Tony off, possibly the only time Mark ever took a rider off. They excluded Tony and then mayhem ensued. Just remember Crumpie going ballistic saying you cant reverse a decision. Mark just sat on his bike in the pits shrugging his shoulders, calmest man there

spot on love watching premier league racing at Ipswich and would hate for us to move up

No i dont decide the averages but if you think its ok for a rider who averages 5.60 (with a large chunk as second string), is clearly improving, to drop down to ride in a reserve berth on a 3 then i worry for the sport if that happens And yes as ive stated many times Gollobs average was farcical back then. I can admit that as i see the bigger picture. Nicholls wasnt world class at that point but a good improving rider.

Why would a team ranked 4th be able to get riders from a better 1-7? Besides who in there right mind would want to leave the best track in the country and race on something not even close?

Really? So we just write off the improvement and average he obtained from 2016?? Can we do that for all riders? Just completely ignore a season?

There needs to be change and mainly in the role and averages of the reserves. Time for the likes of Worrall, Auty , Wright, Starke, Newman, Howarth to either move into the top 5 or not be allowed to be a reserve. They have served there time. Also they need to get rid of the premier conversion as it doesnt work. A rider like Kyle Newman can get an average over 5.5 , mainly from reserve, and then the next season stay at reserve on 3.79. Total farce if things like that are allowed to continue

Did i say it was?? And thought you had me on ignore? Adam Ellis can not be a 3 pointer wether he rides for Poole or Lakeside, it would make a mockery of a rider who achieved 5.60 from second string. Though i guess you would think it fair for him to be on a 3 and Newman on 3.79, as they both rode for you.

Your correct he was an EDR rider last year And i would have no objection to him being one this year ..............on the correct average. When a rider obtains an average of 5.60 from doing half the meetings at reserve and half the meetings in the top 5 then its blatantly obvious that he should have an average to fit his ability from those positions. He has no premier league average to convert so it should be a simple process. If he is on a 3 that would be the most stupid idea ever but Lakeside would snap him up

Kurtz is yet to show he could be a heat leader over here but i disagree about Lambert, think he would fit most teams as a decent third heat leader. Batchelor will be snapped up on that average Lawson to me isnt going to improve much more hen what he is already and him at 5.83 is a lot of points to use up as a second string, personally Ellis on 5.60 is going to improve past him. Nicholls to me would make a great addition at the right track if not wanted at Belle Vue. A Wolves top 4 of Lindgren, Masters , Thorsell and Nicholls or Harris looks good to me. Of course Harris and Nicholls are on downward spirals but they are attractive on their averages as they will give 100% every time and if they end up as second strings then you wont find many better

Not sure as i think on 6.44 he could almost be a third heat leader, and for a rider that dropped to the reserve berth and still didnt do that well, then i think his average of 6.44 makes him hard to place