Gavan

bit of an over reaction The elite league is the highest league yes but it isnt exactly elite riders anymore which is what was trying to be said. Its like the premiership. Say all the world stars left our big clubs, it would still be the top league in english football just not as good as it once was. Nothing wrong with the second tier of speedway, great racing , no politics, and a much closer league with more teams

Thank you. i wasnt trying to be anti-poole just certain fans cant afford to go every week and im sure they will pick and choose their meetings. I spend around £60 when i attend Ipswich and i dont have the time to always go or use that money when i have children. Therefore i look at the fixtures and see who i would rather watch. All im saying is that if Poole streamroller teams then those fans who just about afford to go every week might turn round and say 'its only Leicester this week , we wil thrash them so im saving my money' It has nothing to do about 'real fans' its to do in my case about more important things to use my money on

dont be so daft. Poole will either hit or be very close to 60 in this meeting........yawn

Everybody beats Lindgren lol get a grip mate he top scored last night. Still a class act, not as good as he once was but a weapon riding at number 4 for any side

blinkered attitude. People more than ever pick and choose their meetings these days. I can't get to my club every week due to family and work so I pick the meetings I go to. For example I won't go and see Ipswich v Redcar but will when we face Glasgow. Back in 1998 we steamrollered everyone and myself and many others I know chose what meetings we went to. What's the point in spending nigh on £60 including fuel to watch boring racing with one team thrashing the other. Poole get big crowds when they win as we all know when they struggled the fans disappeared. If Poole keep winning by big margins it doesn't help the sport as a whole to have a dominant team. Anyway I have 3/1 on Belle Vue and I'm happy enough with their two away wins so far

you don't like to harp on but you pop up the next day harping on. Priceless

in the words of Michael Winner..........calm down dear

spot on. its the sheer blinkered attitude of some (not all) Poole fans that when their club is criticised their first response is to attack whoever said it rather than actually look at the situation. To have an opinion different to others isnt wrong, to blindly defend every single thing and resort to abuse just shows some people in a bad light. Red Panda dont become another Starman with juvenile comments, dumb posts and abuse when challenged, im sure your better than that.

wow you having a meltdown there arent you. A lot of Belle Vue fans on here were quite rightly ashamed of the water pipe fiasco and quite rightly feel a bit ashamed over the current situation, the difference is they admit to it and happily talk about it. You are talking about one maybe two issues. Go through the list of things that Poole have been involved in and then you will see why Poole get slated its not rocket science now. It is acceptable to ask about a current situation re Belle Vue and its farcical and yes a bit naughty but in my eyes doesnt compare to what Ford has done time and again over the years. Please read back over the thread and there is a complete list if you need to check. Oh and yes there are some complete ass**les on here. They are the ones who have a complete meltdown when told exactly how it is.

and the award for 'lost the plot ' post goes to????? no i wouldnt defend my team EVERY single time they did wrong. That is the Poole logic (with some fans) that it doesnt matter if they are wrong the fans believe they have a right to defend their team which is a win at all costs and stuff everyone else attitude. Why bring the Belle Vue situation up?? It has nothing to do with this thread and personally i think all the stuff Poole have done over the years is far more important to the speedway world and the lasting damage it has done on the sport.

think you have over reacted rmc. As much as im not a Poole fan their fans are allowed a joke on here from time to time and i see no reason to jump on skidders post at all

Yes and no. I would never have said i would have liked premier league racing if you had of asked me 15-20 years ago. Ipswich were in the top league and seeing the world stars at Foxhall every week was just fantastic. We had quite possibly the best team ever assembled in the top league (bar Cradley) and yes we won everything but i went to less meetings s the racing was a lot of the time processional and we knew we would win every week before the start. I picked and chose my meetings and im sure others did to. Then when we were struggling recently in the elite league i again picked and chose my meetings based on if i thought it might be close rather than seeing a thrashing. Now in the premier league i cant go so much anyway due to family and work but the racing i see now is far better than what it was when we was in the latter days of being in the elite league. There is no set answer as to why people dont go so much. The lack of stars has to be one of the reasons and also location has to be another. In a lot of speedway towns there is football clubs( sometimes 2 or 3), rugby clubs even ice skating teams this has to have an impact. We hear it all the time but there isnt any other sport in Poole for their fans to go and watch, its a speedway town. Of course whatever league your team is in you will find more interesting thats obvious, but right now the elite league is so watered down and full of internal crap that im more than happy to be in the premier Have to say i find it strange you say that. Surely now its easier to pick out teams in the same suits?? I dont care either way in fact i possibly preferred it when each rider was in his own leathers rather than all the same but for a newcomer it has to be far simpler surely to have the same suits??

ok but if he is averaging anything from around 7 upwards then how can he possibly be riding at 2 or 4?

you mean you actually travel to watch meetings! I live an hour away from Foxhall and it means i have to get in my car and use petrol. Wish i lived in the same town as my club!! Starman again showing his stupidity Used to go to Ipswich Thursday, Hackney Friday, Arena Saturday and Rye House on a Sunday, of which Arena is about half hour away and the closest. No Matt Ford isnt directly 100% responsible for the dwindling crowds but when one team is so dominant and pulled many strokes to get there people get fed up and bored with it and stop going.

No he hasnt he has made his point and yet again your complete lack of intellect means you are unable to answer properly and actually have a debate. Those who want to see a Starman meltdown only have to go to the horse racing thread its hilarious. Matt Ford is at the centre of pretty much most controversies over the last 10 years in the sport, you cant hide from that.. Why is that? Nothing wrong with the team Poole have built this year and the way they have gone about things so far. No issue with Poole winning the league if done properly and i will congratulate Chris4gillian and Lisa-Collette on the success. I wont lie and yes i hope Belle Vue win it. I wont give the Poole and speedway fans any stick as they dont deserve it , but if it happens i will take great pleasure in getting on here and giving you and only you such a torrent of stick i doubt you will show your face

Absolutely their side of the story and they are quite clearly in the know. (well not so much my uncle) Im happy to name names and i have told you what i know, simple really There does seem to be a closed shop in Dorset that if your not a Poole fan or live in the area then you cant possibly know more than a Poole fan. Maybe just once you can actually take what someone says and believe it To be fair im pretty sure the Poole mafia dont believe a word im saying but it is possibly the only area to do with Poole that i know im right about but i will take the inevitable abuse that comes my way from the fans that dont like what they hear

Fisher is on the downgrade and has been for a while. Mechanically his bikes are awful. He will have the odd good meeting but will usually get 7 or 8 from 5 rides.

You believe what you want to believe. Please tell us who this 'man in the room' was. I know for a fact that Mark was waiting to hear from Matt Ford to go through negotiating a deal. He never heard back. And i can tell you 100% accurately that Tony was on more money than Mark. My lines of knowledge come from my uncle, who as i say sponsored Mark from the age of 14. This led to us becoming friends with Marks mum Vi and dad Paul, also his grandad (who we called pop and lived in exeter) plus his sister Debbie. Mark came to my aunties funeral in Feb 2000 so she never got to see her 'Marky' win the ultimate prize. My uncle died in 2006 and Mark came to his funeral to. When Mark was at Ipswich we made very good friends with his mechanic Jorge. We still see him to this day and he is still involved in the speedway world. The fact that in 2001 when Mark wanted to stay at Poole i had my uncle, Mark himself and his family and ex mechanic all telling us what was going on. Ive told you my sources believe what you want but Mark left Poole because of Matt Fords desire to have Rickardsson that is a fact. If your sources are correct you will know Mark wanted an extra van as part of his package and more money per point. The fact remains Tony was more expensive then Mark Thank You. Im not trying to be big headed or show off but we do know his family and have known Mark from an early age and followed him everywhere pretty much. Even now my cousin has his race jacket from his first ever British Semi -final up at Sheffield (1986 or 1987??) we was at Arena and Mark was riding and got the call up so we all went up to sheffield. He also has the race jacket (number 3??? i think) from when he won the British Final for the first time in that classic race off with Louis.

Correct and yet averaging 7 from reserve in 2015 he can still ride there again in 2016!!!!! Shows how daft our system is basically

When assessing foreign riders it depends on what club Dennis dangerous Andersson was a 5.00 for anyone who wanted him.................but 4.00 if it was Poole

If Kyle Newman finishes on an 8 point average we will not see him in the elite league next year as nobody would touch him with a bargepole

proper speedway? crap track and one team thrashing another most weeks friendly crowd? erm no Noise? will give you that one Good racing? one week out of 10 aint bad Knowledgeable crowd? have you seen any of Starmans posts?

i thank you for posting the Mark Loram story. As some on here know (and some dont believe) we have known the Loram family since Mark was 14 and my uncle sponsored him. I posted on a Poole thread that Mark was treate badly by Matt Ford only to be shot down by the usual suspects claiming Mark asked for more money than Tony which was complete tosh. This article shows quite clearly what sort of man Matt Ford is. Mark Loram is probably one of the nicest guys there has been in the sport and nobody has a bad word to say about him and it takes a lot to anger him. As stated Matt Ford annoyed him and how disgraceful that some Poole fans booed and heckled him as well after the way he rode for them. Try watching the race with Mark, Havvy, Hamill and Hancock at Wimborne Road back when the track was good

Im sure you could find loads more of instances like this. Goes to show really that where their is controversy in the Elite League Poole are at the heart of most of it.................but its just jealousy lol

Wow even i didnt realise the list was this long and thats without the Belle Vue farce I think a lot of these reports show the lengths that Ford is prepared to go to to get success. Basically the man is a cheat that is just out for himself. You cant help but think his attitude has rubbed off on some of the fans going by their statements and quite clearly Ford will not be happy until the elite league has just 1 team it, Add on the fact he is the worst loser there is and no wonder he is the most hated promoter ever