Gavan

the racing could be better in the elite league than the premier, but i can say as fact that the racing certainly isnt worse in the premier. Its just there is so much politics in the elite league, guests, double uppers, edr riders that quite simply i would prefer to stay premier

seems to have got quite a bit of attention on this forum due to him not being there!!! Oh and its had quite a few column inches in the national papers as well because he isnt riding. I very much doubt the final would have made the papers before the event if Tai was there , so yes it has had more media coverage due to him not being there!! And i dare say it will get more pr when we have a new winner that isnt Tai!!

Tai was pretty much unbeatable on other tracks and on many he had a better average away from Monmore as proved on here before. He would be unbeatable on bigger tracks Huge PR loss??? Talking absolute tosh. Its bigger PR that he is missing as i explained As explained to Robert72 but i guess he still has his own agenda

You need to go specsavers then pal. Ive mentioned many times that i go probably about 7 times a season due to work and the fact i have a family. What has going to elite league meetings got to do with the fact that i think the league is poorly run??? I said there is to much crap involved in the elite league meaning the way it is run.........why i need to go to a meeting to have that opinion is lost on me. Go on elite league threads........most are moaning about the draft, heat leaders at reserve, poor tracks and how bad the agm was. Go on premier league threads and its mainly just the meetings. No politics in the premier

You need to look at it that this is now the most open field for years at a brilliant new stadium and track. Im going because Tai isnt there more than the other way around. I have to travel from Essex to Manchester and take a day off work to go. If Tai was riding i more than likely would have saved my money and watched it on the box as he was most certain to win it. So if you think he has lost ticket sales then you are wrong Its also bigger in the media than if he was riding as it is so open now. Remember when Man Utd pulled out of the FA Cup to play in Brazil?? That recieved far more media attention for the FA cup then they could have dreamed of. To say its damaging for British Speedway is foolish To say he should be dropped from the world cup shows you to be the fool

Elite league is on its knees and has been for ages. I would much prefer Ipswich stayed premier, the racing is better (though our track isnt great) and the league is far far better run. Would i be interested in going elite just to see the odd few better riders?? Im missing out on Doyle Zagar Iversen Holder ,and then the rest of the heat leaders are made up of premier league number ones and riders who are ok at premier level. I see most of the elite league riders at Foxhall bar the odd one. Auty, Klindt, Bates, Josh G, Starke, Wright, Tungate, Kennett, Masters, have already ridden at Foxhall and in the next few weeks Lambert, Steve Worrall, Richie Worrall, Lawson, Kurtz, Newman and Cook are due Add to that King and Sarjeant every week and as i say not many left worth seeing. No stick to premier league as there is to much crap involved in the elite league.

You pick the best 4 riders available is it that hard!! Woffinden and Cook are our best 2 riders then it's any 2 based on opinion from Harris Nicholls and Lambert. And yes Bwitcher is spot on. If Nicholls was miles ahead of Lambert on ability then pick him but I agree that there isn't much between the 2 so then of course other factors come in to play. I've stopped trying to feed the fool that is Robert72 but his posts are so ridiculous I can't help myself! hee hee that's got to be the daftest post yet! Have a good read see where your argument falls down! Priceless!

No we havent and thats the point or are you missing something?? Robert72 made the claims not me. I said what it was like 10-15 years ago He was asked for evidence and so far cant provide any apart from the fact he rode a bike!! oops sorry i replied to star lady before i saw your response underneath. guess we both sing from the same hymn sheet on this one

if you read my post i said the odd were in reverse. That means Stead should be 10/1 and Garrity 12/1. This means i think Stead has a better chance than Garrity!!

The draft was designed to bring riders on and progress but all thats happening is riders are scoring for fun in reserve then struggling when going up, denting their confidence and then dropping back down again. Garrity had the right idea (for himself, maybe not his team) by riding in the 1-5 and look at his progress now, another level above most of the reserves (Steve Worrall apart)

No i have given facts not opinions. Up until at least 2004 ALL riders were paid the same to appear in a British Final wether they scored 3 or 13. Robert72 is adamant that now they get paid differently. All me and Bwitcher have asked is for him to provide evidence. For all i know he may be right. But to say his evidence is because he rode once is rubbish

mate i agree 100% it may have changed. It hadnt in 2004 but it may have. My point is that if Robert72 feels the pay is different then he needs to provide his evidence...........and not the fact he swung his leg over a bike once!

I only disagree with the part that says Poole have been hit harder than most by the rule!! 2 of the best 5 reserves in the league ride at Poole. When one moves up they have either the Australian champ or Bjarne Pedersen dropping down. I agree it needs looking at but Poole are hardly the worst hit are they!!

bit more than just chucked a few quid at him, do ridets often go to the funerals of people who once gave them a bit of money? I suggest regarding my family you keep it quiet! And no I never raced him and what that has to do with the fact about Tai not racing I have no idea!!! Your in your own sad little world

Well for the record the guy has mocked the fact that i know the Loram family so i tried my best in type to show i did. therefore proving his claim as false. He has made a claim that riders are all payed differently in the British Final. Im awaiting his evidence........or evidence that doesnt include the line that he used to ride. which is exactly my point! back in the 90's and at the start of the decade ALL riders in the British Final got paid the same absolute FACT. Robert72 tells us otherwise and all we ask is that he can prove this which he cant at all. Oh wait yes he can...............his proof is that he used to ride!!

Right pal you need to listen and listen good. I used to go Hackney every Friday night with my aunt and uncle and stand by the pit wall overlooking the pits. Mark was a 14 year old mascot at the time and my uncle owned a coach company and used to pass him £50 to £100 over the wall every week. We became good friends with Marks mum and dad and his sister, even his grandad 'pop' as we used to call him who wasnt there much because he came from the west country. We also became good friends with Marks mechanic Jorge from South Africa and he still to this day comes round and sees myself and my family. When Mark won his first British Final he gave my aunty his race jacket which my cousin still owns At most grass track meetings Mark used to come and sit in my uncles mini bus. My aunty died in Feb 2000 so never saw 'her mark' win the world title, however Mark was at her funeral to pay his respects. So if you want to question my association with the Loram family then go ahead!!!!!!!!!! I hope your sides recover from hurting as you clearly think i was lying so i will await an apology. I havent criticised you for trying the sport but quite clearly you never got anywhere or is that a lie as well?? And YES when Mark rode in British Finals wether he scored 15 or 5 he got the same money, that pal is FACT!!!!! So come on then prove your answer!!!

Its not about an opinion its to do with making up lies and then calling it factual because ' he happens to have rode a speedway bike'!!

Right ok let me clarify. You have won the odd speedway race. This means you know more then us regarding what money is offered to ride in British Finals I have told you i know for a fact that back when Mark Loram was riding all riders got the same. Please give the evidence that they no longer get the same. Its quite simple yet for some reason you evidence is that you have ridden (badly) a speedway bike You sir a quite simply a t0sser

how about you answer in reply to what me and Bwitcher are asking??? Im telling you i know that back in the day riders got exactly the same money. The reason i know this is because of Mark Loram. If it has changedthen please provide the evidence and cut the crap that because your a failed rider you know!! i love it mate. His experiance in the sport is enough to tell us that we are all wrong!!!

I havent seen the odds and cant check skybet on my work pc but from what ive been told these are the 4 prices for these riders. Howarth 10/1 Auty 12/1 Garrity 16/1 Stead 25/1 Surely those odds are upside down??? Garrity and Stead better riders then Howarth and Auty, whoever compiled those odds cant know much about the sport!

Its likely that they may have offered Tai more money to ride once he had made his intention not to ride. However its not money that is stopping him from riding Mate BWitcher knows far more than you about this like we all do. Ask Mark Loram what the riders get for the British Final because i can tell you 100% that back when he was riding there was no contract to do the meeting plus ALL riders were on the same money, thats ALL riders! And if we are assessing stupidity you rank very high on that list He cant and wont provide anything As far as Tai is concerned he is a closed book. He throws in accusations and even brings Rob Woffinden into discussions to try and validate things. Dont waste your breath with individuals like him Yes they would get the same money to ride in the event its always been the same. But yes there may be some corporate money going towards Tai to promote it which other riders wouldnt get because they wouldnt have been asked! Ah because you tried and failed to become a rider makes you more knowledgeable does it?? Ive been involved in speedway for 40 years including having very close links to the Loram family so im pretty damn sure i know as much if not more than you how it works

Title is Pooles to lose as it was right from the off. When you can have the likes of Kurtz, or Pedersen at reserve then you shouldnt really be worrying to much about the other sides

i get the reasons as to why but it could lead to fixture chaos later on if the weather intervenes!

Yes they do which is why their equipment is all there Yes they have equipment in Poland for that very reason You know by now he makes things up and just finds any angle to have a pop at Tai

Seem to remember Risager being dropped for last season!! He has been solid this season and there cant be to many better second strings in the league yet some want him dropped!!!