Gavan

Answer the question then You think the new way is better yet you think FTR riders should meet heat leaders more. So come on then Einstein which is it??? Come on petal try and debate. Answer what you have been asked or will you keep abusing when backed into a corner like always. What a weasel of a human being

so in one breath you state it shouldnt go back to how it was because you believe it is better to be an FTR rider. Then straight after you think the old way is best because they will meet better riders You simply are either thick or trolling again

sorry surely you cant be as thick as you make out Please tell me who Newman races against now please???

How long have you been following the sport because if you had any idea you would know the old format and realise that reserves met heat leaders rather than just the other reserves and the odd second string

Spot on of course it doesnt but one person as usual has no idea lol

why does it have anything to do with a top rider under performing? The old system needs to be brought back in its quite simple though im guessing you would need it explained to you

Well done for calling me a twit Dekker nice to lower the tone. When I suggested Edinburgh were weak before a wheel was turned I got abuse. When I said they were weak after Glasgow I was told I'm judging them on 1 meeting. Well I'm not they are crap. And where is Blobby??? Crowd when they win and hides when they don't

Holder having a shocking season doesn't bode well for the gp's. Watt struggling and Kurtz needs time. Andersen and Buck doing their jobs

Well don't say I didn't warn you! Except I was told I was Edinburgh bashing when it was the most obvious thing to see. No Cook, Sedgeman, Branford and there replacements got 7 tonight!!! Ryan Fisher is past it and the others need more time. You lost at home when your number 1 is faultless and the opposition number 1 has a poor night and also Mellgren. Berwick are not that strong do the monarchs have to be worried

no I'm not annoyed at Pooles win ratio but yes if you put me on the spot I would prefer Belle Vue. Haven't been Matt Fords biggest fan but never denied he builds good sides. Genuine Poole and speedway fans realise that Poole have done a few underhand things in the past but not last year and nothing wrong this year either. Poole currently are the biggest side and the most talked about so I never make an excuse for coming on this thread. In general I find your fans fine. You have a couple of idiots and then you do have the absolute clown of the forum as well and I guess it's those people that rile me. Im not anti Poole, not Ford or Muddlos biggest fan but surely that's opinion and allowed. I make no excuse for saying I think the league will be boring but that isn't Pooles fault either

true I don't see him every week but he should by now be a second string at least and not even be considered at reserve for anyone as he has been there 6 years. Similar to me as Josh Auty neither has yet kicked on to the next level. It's ok banging in big scores from reserve against riders he should be beating but I feel he should be doing better

Why is it so wrong to have an opinion with certain Poole fans??? I believe Newman is doing his job beating the riders he should be and of course at home he will beat second strings as well as he has ridden at the same track for 6 years. I don't believe his ability as a rider has improved much at all in the last 3 years. He is obviously one of the best 3 fast track riders (Auty the best) and a great signing for Poole at reserve. I'm just not one of these people who sees him as riding brilliantly like some Poole fand do. And why why why do the same Pollocks think its anti Poole when clearly all it is is an observation and opinion

i don't hope Kyle Newman fails in his quest to become a better rider at all. We all want to see Brits progress. I just don't think all the hysteria about him scoring heavily from reserve is justified he is pretty much doing what he should be for his age and the amount of time he has ridden in the Poole team at reserve. He is progressing but slowly. Let's see him make British Finals and then judge him. keep it quiet you moron it's called having a discussion and has nothing to do with anti poole, go back to being a grown up paperboy and let the adults chat

Newcastle v Workington couple of weeks ago. In heat 12 Matej Kus sheds a chain right in front of Kenneth Hansen. Hansen hits him and the referee excludes Kus for being the primary cause of the stoppage. Can you tell me what the difference is here please??? Or is there a new rule that determines how close you are to the rider who breaks down! Kus as rightly excluded as the primary cause exactly as Dudek should have been

he beat Lawson, Swiderski, Kerr and Mear. These are riders he quite possibly should be beating with ease at home after 6 years at his home track. He should be banging in maximums at home for fun until Belle Vue come to town. Good little rider but nothingore than that. He is beating a poor set of draft riders and in most teams cases second strings that should be reserves and he is being hailed as the second coming. Even if he moves up I would still expect him from the number 2 or 4 position to score well as he isn't exactly against great riders still

On speedway updates the texter is having kittens over Kurtz beating riders he should and Newman passing that top draft rider Robert Mear for what he believes a huge 5-1! Calm down mate Newman should be half a lap ahead of Mear! It's also irrelevent how Watt rides as Poole have 5 heat leaders anyway so I'm sure a drop to reserve wont harm him. Holder has 5 from 3 and even with 2 riders struggling it's comfortable. Sounds like Lakeside making starts and Poole toying with them to try and provide entertainment.

i cant believe you cant see it logically. The cause of the stoppage was triggered by an engine failure NOT Kildemand hitting him. Please understand what primary cause means. Kildemand hitting him was the secondary reason. If you think Kildemand was more at fault then basically you are saying that if Dudek was under power then Kildemand just deliberatly rode into him! Of course he didnt!! he hit him because Dudek wasnt under power, and to say we dont know if Kildemand saw him is absurd! You suggesting he had seen him and decided just to hit him. Primary cause of the stoppage means the first incident that occured the race to be stopped not what happened after which is secondary. If Dudek hadnt have stopped the race would have continued, he therefore was the reason the race was stopped. answer me this............say the rider immediatly behind Dudek hit him would he be excluded???

I get that. But i can only base predictions, same as everyone else, on the starting 1-7 and if it stays the same then no i cant see Edinburgh making the play offs. Im not basing it on one match as i said before a wheel was turned the 1-7 isnt good enough. Team changes, injuries, these can play a factor of course

100% spot on Cant understand peoples line of thinking, or they simply dont know what primary cause of the stoppage means

Obviously i am. read the thread buddy far more people think Kildemands exclusion was wrong then dont. Others are merely sit on the fence. Tell me in you own words what the term ' primary cause of the stoppage' means. Once you have done that then please explain how the primary cause was Kildemand hitting Dudek Thank You in advance

its not concern its called observation and an opinion and most people think Edinburgh are poor this season yet some of you bury your heads and cant actually hold a debate just doing what you do on the Ipswich forum and making an observation spot on

Ah bless you having a pop at Ipswich, nice try but i dont live there

Is this debate still rumbling on??? Dudek had an engine failure. The primary cause of the stoppage was his engine failure its not rocket science. The secondary cause was Kildemand being unsighted and hitting him. By the way some people are talking is that if you get an engine failure you just cruise round on the racing line hoping someone smacks into you. Then the person that smacks into you is excluded and you can get in the re-run!! Im sure some people dont actually watch the sport or have no idea. you need to understand the sport a bit more then if you believe that the engine failure wasnt the PRIMARY cause of the stoppage. just answer me one question. Who should have been excluded if the rider in 2nd hit Dudek as he was closer? Understand the term primary cause of the stoppage and then you will understand why Kildemand shouldnt have been excluded. Of course Kildemand wasnt aware he couldnt see!! He pulled out to get a faster line into the bend or do you simply think he intentionally raced into another rider at full speed??? I also believe Kildemand can be reckless but that has no bearing on this incident! If Dudek didnt have an engine failure would the race have been stopped?? No, so therefore his engine failure led to the stoppage thus making him the primary cause

Primary cause of the stoppage. Dudeks bike packing up was the primary reason. Kildemand hitting him was secondary. Without the bike failing the race would have carried on. As i say who would have been excluded if Kildemand was RIGHT behind him and hit him???

I cant believe people say it was the right decision. Ok say Dudek lost power like he did and Kildemand was right behind him, literally on his exhaust, and ploughs into him. Surely then the cause of the stoppage is Dudek and not the rider right behind him who had nowhere to go!!!! The only difference here is Kildemand was further back but the cause of the stoppage was Dudek stopping and because he stopped a rider hit him who blatantly couldnt see him.