Fortythirtyeight

To quote one who do….Redcar as it’s council owned and all others which are similarly owned, and there are at least 5 others who do

You need to take into account the details of the lease on the stadium. Most will specify exactly what can be done and when and you won’t be allowed to run just whatever sport you want whenever it suits you,

As very few ,well established, promoters at clubs with long history’s say they break even , a new promoter running at a hired venue with not very friendly landlords ( reportedly ) and a budget team then breaking even would have been regarded as a major success. I hope the club survives but if people are not taking up free entry then the writing is on the wall.

Read the full context of the posts !….the suggestion was to just run 10 meetings a season, which would never work for those clubs paying rent and on a lease.

Most of those that don’t own their own stadium as that’s how they retain the right to run at the stadium, it would be simpler to ask ‘ who owns their own stadium ‘ ? The answer is ….very few !

and pay rent for 12 months on a stadium your only going to use for 10 evenings ? Think again.

Doubt it, Newcastle are on their fourth team manager this season and we are only just into August !

No.

Yes.

Very little time required, no capital or expertise really. Most clubs leave it to the company producing the items ( most good stuff for the GB clubs is produced in Poland ) to design the gear which can be ordered individually and paid for by the pre ordering fan . Just needs one person at the club to co-ordinate the sales and handle the profit margins for said club. Simples!

Nothing at all, a little dusty but to be expected but perhaps the home riders wanted it done differently?. The riders were given the ‘ hair dryer ‘ treatment by the management perhaps that was the only excuse they could come up with ? Expected more from J.Wright and Roynon but if you fall off on the parade lap then expect issues !

Track looked smooth, but you’ve done away with some of your home advantage some what by taking out the bumps. Took a while but some decent races towards the end. Expected more fight from the home team , Howarth being the star man by a long margin. Bears guests were worth every penny, excelling them selves and added to good scores from the three Bears then it was an easy win. Couldn't get near the famous food as the cues were way too long but that was the smallest crowd I’ve seen for a Redcar derby match. Hope it improves as don’t want to lose our ‘nearest and dearest’.

Geordies arguing on their own thread ? whatever next !

Interesting that the ‘ thread ‘ disappeared yet the majority name caller was the second one to post on your new thread. Anyway….nice to see the Newcastle fans have jumped on the Redcar thread and we hope to see you all on Friday. Would think your team will perform well at the STMP and make it another tough one for the injury struck Bears. We still haven’t seen the best from all 7 ( now 4 ) Bears so a good choice of guest reserves will be essential and the management have done well so far with their choices. Diamonds will be difficult to beat at Brough too so I’d settle for the 3 points at home and be happy for a point up the road but having just seen the Sarjeant is now out ( now only 3 original Bears ) who rides Brough well, I think Bears may struggle to get it.

That’s very different then, thank you for clarification.

Wow, that was quick, no wonder there’s a shortage of riders if you can get dumped that fast.

Try doing some work for yourself, look on companies house. It’s all in the public domain, no big secrets.

Read the post, it does say ask the right people who were actually there and involved .

Most of Polands top team don't pay the stars per point as the elite will be on a set guarantee and a big one at that, as you suggest. Attendances aren’t that big a secret , just ask a promoter or a turnstile operative . As for wages, all riders and mechanics talk, so they know the going rate and who to try and sign for next .

It basically shows that your just making stuff up and speculating on figures you know nothing about. Whilst Premier division points rates are traditionally higher than championship they are no where near your ‘ guesstimates ‘ and only a select few in the Premiership could dream of getting near your £120 a point. Most championship club don’t get anywhere near 1200 paying customers and most have around 50-60% attendees paying ‘ concession ‘ rates, around £12, as they are pensioners ! Every club has its own pay structure but rule of thumb in the championship would be number 1 on around £80 plus per point ( forget Glasgow !) to number seven £40-£45 per point. There will be travel costs to be added and some will do ‘ bonus ‘ payments ( team win, van and or / mechanic contribution ) so you can’t attach a specific figure and make it fit all as crowd levels and sponsorship deals will also come in to play. A winning team is a lot more expensive than a losing one but then the attendance levels go down when your losing which is why 90% of clubs are losing money and don’t think that winning makes you profit, as Workington sadly found out.

£120 a point !?!? Where on earth are you getting that pay scale from ? Bartosz Smarzlik ? so roughly DOUBLE what a basic 3rd heat leader or overpaid second string gets now . That doesn’t add up when the sport is already bankrupting itself.

Redcar do use red shale, purchased at great expense from a Scottish quarry , and the binding agent is clay as oil being dropped on the track was barred years ago. A rider is never going to say no to something that may make him faster than an opponent. As for recruitment drive, it has been tried and it failed miserably before it even got started.

and on THAT night the head of the SCB said it had to be rerun, by the Monday he was told to award it to Glasgow . McGregor made no argument on that night he simply rang the SCB chair for advice whilst never more than two feet away from the Glasgow management who stuck to him like glue. He did say the rule was it SHOULD be rerun . But that’s all in the past now and we are all best of friends, honestly !

“And any 'promoter' who doesn't put some signposts up around the town or try to get the team into local newspapers/tv/radio should be shot! The general quality of UK league speedway PR is horrible” Dear Mr/ Mrs HackneyHawk, it may educate you to know you need the relevant councils permission, a licence ( involving quite a high fee ) and the local highways authority ( again a fee involved ) to erect signs around any area. In the specific case of Redcar ( so called because they are 500 metres inside the Redcar council boundary although they are in the town of Middlesbrough ) , when they asked to erect direction signs from the nearby dual carriageway they were told ‘ no chance ‘ as Middlesbrough council would not allow signs advertising a Redcar council facility. Life is not straight forward so hold fire with the firing squad !

Has anyone seen ANYTHING for this new league ?