British GP’s Belle Vue Fri/Sat 13th/14th June

[FAST GATER]

1 minute ago, bellevueace said:

I think the novelty of the stadium played a large part in the early years

Having a roof made a difference as well

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

24 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

On the contrary, I think Dean should be involved in running the sport in the UK as he seems to have all the answers.

I get what you did there 😂 I don’t have any of the answers but I have plenty of suggestions that I put to various people in the sport and gauge their reply and opinions and listen to their concerns about where we are going,sometimes I say things on here that were not even my idea or thought, the idea might have come from a rider or promoter and as I think as MikeBV says on here we can keep doing the same and expect a better outcome 

Edited Saturday at 12:11 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE

[nw42]

34 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

I’ve done just about every job in the sport, raced, mechanic, engine builder, SRA representative, I’ve prepared tracks, I’ve promoted a meeting,I’ve been a shareholder at a track, I’ve even been the medical cover for a season, but most of all I’ve been a fan all my life and I am now a fully paid up member of the man cave where ex riders, mechanics and generally old men chat passionately about the sport while drinking ridiculous amounts of tea and making parts on the machinery there lol 

So it's you who's buggered the sport up then, meddling in everything instead of concentrating on what you were good at.😁

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 minute ago, nw42 said:

So it's you who's buggered the sport up then, meddling in everything instead of concentrating on what you were good at.😁

I never found anything I was good at 

[nw42]

1 minute ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

I never found anything I was good at 

Oh I think we've discovered where you excel.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

9 minutes ago, nw42 said:

Oh I think we've discovered where you excel.

Well maybe I should sell it to the farmers 

Edited Saturday at 12:10 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

10 minutes ago, bellevueace said:

I think the novelty of the stadium played a large part in the early years

Yes it did but it was the whole thing where we all met up with friends that hadn’t been for years who went because they got caught up in the occasion, by word of mouth from folk who went the first year that wore off after 10 years or so and moving the center of the event out to the field quater of a mile away split a lot of the atmosphere up and bit by bit the event lost its feel and bit by bit the organisers put on less and less to get the atmosphere and sense of occasion up until got so stale folk stopped going 

[bellevueace]

2 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Yes because the organisers scaled back massively the entertainment and moved the main focus away from town center, as I said in an earlier post if you had bothered to read Cardiff had run it’s corse and needed a change but belle vue wasn’t it unless the organisers made an effort and actually created a small village maybe on the fields opposite the track with stalls, beer tents, bands or whatever but made it an event not just a meeting 

Wembley attracted massive crowds far greater than anything seen in Cardiff for the world finals and the stadium was in the middle of nowhere, no big fan parks not based in central London, for me i stopped going to Cardiff quite a few years ago when the novelty of the stadium wore off the processional speedway did it for me, i like Cardiff as a city, i can spend a weekend there enjoy it without having to sit watching poor fare ontrack or being ripped off in hotels. Im just a speedway fan who puts the emphasis on the racing, you cant compare speedway gp to F1 for example how many people attend Silverstone for example, thats completely different go there its like a small village, speedway isnt on that level, even in Cardiffs heyday i used to note in the mainstream media when all the important sporting dates were given for the year the speedway gp never got a mention and that was in the days when it attracted 40 to 50 thousand, instead of people pulling it to pieces lets enjoy it for what it is, a minority sport event, the comments about catering are valid though.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

37 minutes ago, FAST GATER said:

A question for DEAN  going off on a tangent  why is it BZ seems to struggle at the NSS ( taking nothing away from Dan's win done fair and square  )as KT and CL say he seems awkward on the bike ,I would have thought it was tailor- made for him  .  

 

I wouldn’t say he struggles but clearly bewley and Kurtz have that home track knowledge as they ride it week in week out, you could see zmarzlik learning last night race by race and in the final rode Kurtz line to stop him coming past, zmarzlik wasn’t Beat last night by lack of understanding of the track he was beat by bewley riding the fence because  he has the confidence to do it because he knows the track, if he had moved off the fence zmarzlik’ would have gone there, I was surprised zmarzlik chose gate 1 leaving Kurtz and bewley the dirt line on first corner but he obviously had a plan and as far as the world championship concerned it was job done, styles on the bike Dan hangs off it and his style his made for tracks like BV where zmarzlik has more of a unversial style suited to most tracks big or small, personally I think bewley looks awkward on the bike on tracks like Ipswich but zmarzlik always looks natural until he has to hang it off the fence, I also think Kurtz has a similar style to zmarzlik especially on smaller tracks 

Edited Saturday at 12:30 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE

[FAST GATER]

9 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

I wouldn’t say he struggles but clearly bewley and Kurtz have that home track knowledge as they ride it week in week out, you could see zmarzlik learning last night race by race and in the final rode Kurtz line to stop him coming past, zmarzlik wasn’t Beat last night by lack of understanding of the track he was beat by bewley riding the fence because  he has the confidence to do it because he knows the track, if he had moved off the fence zmarzlik’ would have gone there, I was surprised zmarzlik chose gate 1 leaving Kurtz and bewley the dirt line on first corner but he obviously had a plan and as far as the world championship concerned it was job done, styles on the bike Dan hangs off it and his style his made for tracks like BV where zmarzlik has more of a unversial style suited to most tracks big or small 

I felt his priority in the final was to beat Kurtz as he always has an eye on the main prize which makes him the rider he is IMO .

Thanks for the insight . 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 minute ago, FAST GATER said:

I felt his priority in the final was to beat Kurtz as he always has an eye on the main prize which makes him the rider he is IMO .

Thanks for the insight . 

As I said as far as the WC is concerned it was job done 

[bellevueace]

22 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Yes it did but it was the whole thing where we all met up with friends that hadn’t been for years who went because they got caught up in the occasion, by word of mouth from folk who went the first year that wore off after 10 years or so and moving the center of the event out to the field quater of a mile away split a lot of the atmosphere up and bit by bit the event lost its feel and bit by bit the organisers put on less and less to get the atmosphere and sense of occasion up until got so stale folk stopped going 

I get your point but moving the center of the event a quarter of a mile away is only 440 yards surely that wasnt the cause how long does that take to walk? As you said earlier "All I’ve said was it shouldn’t be at BV" Where else could it realistically be in the UK? Its here or no British GP, if they had put a large fan park next to the stadium how many more would it really have attracted? And lets not forget Parklife was on too.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

9 minutes ago, bellevueace said:

I get your point but moving the center of the event a quarter of a mile away is only 440 yards surely that wasnt the cause how long does that take to walk? As you said earlier "All I’ve said was it shouldn’t be at BV" Where else could it realistically be in the UK? Its here or no British GP, if they had put a large fan park next to the stadium how many more would it really have attracted? And lets not forget Parklife was on too.

There is a huge football field over the road from track, would it have been a massive stretch to hire the field and make some sort of speedway village for the weekend for fans to meet up and socialise,As for where else,there are 100s of stadiums in this country, some located in city centres,these days a lot of stadiums have false floor so different events can be put in there,who would of thought of Cardiff until someone thought of Cardiff ? There was a enquiry into Alexandra stadium in Birmingham before BV but that didn’t happen because from what I understand some of the stadium board didn’t want it,fantastic stadium but again not the greatest area 

Edited Saturday at 12:48 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE

[mikebv]

3 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Can you explain why belle vue crowds have been poor this year cause as you say the racing is exceptional ?

A lot of it is down to the cost of the GP's..

A similar thing leading up to the SON last year...

And, as we know, the season doesn't really start till the play offs so when following a team who are a "shoe in" for them, you can miss several "qualifiers" knowing the result is either a forgone conclusion, or academic to the end of season meetings. (And sometimes both)..

[ShanoXtra]

2 minutes ago, mikebv said:

A lot of it is down to the cost of the GP's..

A similar thing leading up to the SON last year...

And, as we know, the season doesn't really start till the play offs so when following a team who are a "shoe in" for them, you can miss several "qualifiers" knowing the result is either a forgone conclusion, or academic to the end of season meetings. (And sometimes both)..

Couple of injuries and I’m not sure any team is a ‘shoe in’ … Lynn and Leicester look decent to be fair now and could make a slight go at it. Albeit I think major injuries need to happen to the two two / three

Edited Saturday at 12:51 PM by ShanoXtra
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[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 minute ago, mikebv said:

A lot of it is down to the cost of the GP's..

A similar thing leading up to the SON last year...

And, as we know, the season doesn't really start till the play offs so when following a team who are a "shoe in" for them, you can miss several "qualifiers" knowing the result is either a forgone conclusion, or academic to the end of season meetings. (And sometimes both)..

Well the complete lack of understanding of the current financial crisis that is hitting the country by the speedway world is alarming to say the least 

[Igor]

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[FAST GATER]

Half the problem is at these events the organisers want the lion share of any takings third parties take at food or other outlets . They could flood the NSS( assuming their lease allows it)  with food oulets but you can bet your life BV ,The council or somebody will want a rediculous cut 

[Tinker]

4 hours ago, Odds On said:

cannot for the life of me understand people moaning about about last night's meeting....race track was good in fact very good, no gate and go, no sitting on the white line, a racers and fans dream of a track.

Gollob was the master of Bydgoszcz and was lauded by us all, it is very early days but Dan Bewley is certainly going the right way with Belle Vue, and there's hardly mention of heroics and bravery last night, yet there's some who try and find fault with just about anything. Embrace it and get behind it.

Well said, couldn't agree more. Far too many moaners. Watched on TV, racing fab. 

[bellevueace]

19 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

There is a huge football field over the road from track, would it have been a massive stretch to hire the field and make some sort of speedway village for the weekend for fans to meet up and socialise,As for where else,there are 100s of stadiums in this country, some located in city centres,these days a lot of stadiums have false floor so different events can be put in there,who would of thought of Cardiff until someone thought of Cardiff ? There was a enquiry into Alexandra stadium in Birmingham before BV but that didn’t happen because from what I understand some of the stadium board didn’t want it,fantastic stadium but again not the greatest area 

Thats what i mean by a realistic option Alexandra stadium is really no different to BV as regards to its location and would be a temp track, many football stadiums host concerts, boxing, american football but would all be out of reach of speedway cost wise and also said stadiums wouldnt open the doors for the crowds a speedway gp would pull, id love to see speedway in a stadium like Tottenham Hotspur, but as in Cardiff in the latter years the crowd would be swallowed up by empty seats, cost of hiring would be prohibitive, the days of the Wembley finals with 90,000 crowds are long gone and even the reported 100,000 that was quoted for the 1976 final in Poland. Do you think this is why the current rights holders seem to be taking speedway away from the big stadia? When they came in it was big plans for major stadia and to expand worldwide, perhaps they have seen it to be not worthwhile. Strange really as today younger generations are all about extreme sports but the majority dont even know what speedway is and you cant get much more extreme than racing 5oocc bikes with no brakes.