Arthur54 Posted Saturday at 09:59 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 09:59 PM 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Unless of course Poole had a GP.... Only on a Wednesday night though... Because, as we know, no one in Poole comes out on any other night... Nice to see Poole getting a mention on the world stage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Saturday at 11:09 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 11:09 PM 2 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: zmarzlik’s bikes are no faster than anyone in world speedway, he uses same frames, same carbs, same clutches, often even same tuners as everyone else, he is simply a better rider that has no advantage at all I think this is why I was comparing Zmarlik to JanO... he does have a bit of an advantage as like JanO there's nothing to him size wise, when you see him without all his protective gear he's a very small man, add that to his talent and kit and he seems to be able to make passes that no one else can... like JanO did, shame he got injured when he did as I think he had more in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted Saturday at 11:31 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 11:31 PM 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Anybody who did not admire that performance from Bartosz tonight is not a true speedway fan.It was breathtaking.As was Dan last night. stick to complaining about tickets and queues that’s GB speedway. Is there anyone who doesn’t admire Zmarzlik?? Maybe like myself, it's more of a frustration with everyone else. As I've said many times, everyone seems too soft on the guy. 9 out 10 times he passes without being challenged. When he misses a gate he'll get up the inside of someone & force his way past. Often squeezing opposition up against the fence. Absolutely nobody ever seems to return the favour on him. Absolutely, 100%, if Zmarzlik was in the era of Crump, Pedersen, Gollob etc they'd make sure he would be chewing on airfence occasionally. He is a gifted lad, but all everyone wants is a challenger &/or a rivalry. May be we force a reduction in the age of rider's in the series, if you're over 35 & not top 6 they can't get a wildcard?? Top 3 of the SGP2 series qualify?? Top 5 U25's from the Polish Ekstraliga automatically qualify for the SGP?? There must be some young, fast, loose cannons out there that can shake up the series?? Absolutely need to shake up the system in some way. We're just getting to much same old, same old qualifying from the GP Challenge, & wildcard picks. Think most fans want to see a complete shake up of the SGP Series in some way, shape or form. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted Sunday at 06:30 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 06:30 AM 6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Is there anyone who doesn’t admire Zmarzlik?? Maybe like myself, it's more of a frustration with everyone else. As I've said many times, everyone seems too soft on the guy. 9 out 10 times he passes without being challenged. When he misses a gate he'll get up the inside of someone & force his way past. Often squeezing opposition up against the fence. Absolutely nobody ever seems to return the favour on him. Absolutely, 100%, if Zmarzlik was in the era of Crump, Pedersen, Gollob etc they'd make sure he would be chewing on airfence occasionally. He is a gifted lad, but all everyone wants is a challenger &/or a rivalry. May be we force a reduction in the age of rider's in the series, if you're over 35 & not top 6 they can't get a wildcard?? Top 3 of the SGP2 series qualify?? Top 5 U25's from the Polish Ekstraliga automatically qualify for the SGP?? There must be some young, fast, loose cannons out there that can shake up the series?? Absolutely need to shake up the system in some way. We're just getting to much same old, same old qualifying from the GP Challenge, & wildcard picks. Think most fans want to see a complete shake up of the SGP Series in some way, shape or form. There isn’t though, that’s why the same riders qualify from the qualifiers each year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted Sunday at 06:58 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 06:58 AM Well there was a little band of us attended the Friday meeting and thoroughly enjoyed the racing,and the result of course👍.As has been said though the downside was the organisation.We were in the East stand we got in ok,although my daughter and her friend had their bags tagged not checked though🤔.I was ok with the food no problem.There was no signs or information where to get programmes.Went to our seats,thought we were in the wrong section as the seats we thought we were in were taken.They were our seats but the people were told to sit there by stewards as there seats didn't exist.Could not hear the annoy whatsoever.My daughter witnessed stewards pushing people back trying to get into the East stand.Lessons to be learnt,hopefully Saturday went a bit more smoothly. We stayed over in the City centre and couldn't fault that whatsoever, lovely city with loads to do,China town,museums, galleries, trams,trains, bars,restaurants all on our doorstep,so much to do.Only a 10min train ride to the speedway,£4 return. All in all we will definitely be back next year👍 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted Sunday at 07:14 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:14 AM 9 hours ago, OldtimerRay said: seems to stay injury free Don't tempt fate ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted Sunday at 07:38 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:38 AM (edited) 9 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: loose cannons i'm not a fan of these riders and I am glad that there isn't one as such in the series now ,that said most of the GP rider's are exceptional just one is far better than the rest .As to the soft passes etc IMO BZ creates them by putting riders in a position that he can take advantage of( he can enter bends far quicker ) . His ability to read a race ,reactions ,bravery and self belief all play apart in making just that bit more special than the rest. Make no mistake Holder for one is neither a friend or ally of BZ that's obvious and Krutz won't even look at him so I don't think he's going to give him a pass in anyway shape or form. We can't all like BZ but we can marvel at his ability after five world titles he is hungry for more never giving up and setting the benchmark for the rest . We have all seen how cruel the sport can be career's are ended in a blink of an eye so let's admire this brilliant young man,I for one would be devasted if some idiot sending him to the airfence deprived the sport of his unique talent . Edited Sunday at 09:28 AM by FAST GATER 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Sunday at 07:39 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:39 AM 8 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Is there anyone who doesn’t admire Zmarzlik?? Maybe like myself, it's more of a frustration with everyone else. As I've said many times, everyone seems too soft on the guy. 9 out 10 times he passes without being challenged. When he misses a gate he'll get up the inside of someone & force his way past. Often squeezing opposition up against the fence. Absolutely nobody ever seems to return the favour on him. Absolutely, 100%, if Zmarzlik was in the era of Crump, Pedersen, Gollob etc they'd make sure he would be chewing on airfence occasionally. He is a gifted lad, but all everyone wants is a challenger &/or a rivalry. May be we force a reduction in the age of rider's in the series, if you're over 35 & not top 6 they can't get a wildcard?? Top 3 of the SGP2 series qualify?? Top 5 U25's from the Polish Ekstraliga automatically qualify for the SGP?? There must be some young, fast, loose cannons out there that can shake up the series?? Absolutely need to shake up the system in some way. We're just getting to much same old, same old qualifying from the GP Challenge, & wildcard picks. Think most fans want to see a complete shake up of the SGP Series in some way, shape or form. Bottom line is that he is a lot better than the rest.They certainly can't produce the passing skills he has.Especially his straight line inside one and still get the bike turned.You only have to watch last night when Lambert gave him some of his own treatment, he read it every time and retook him.Brilliant skills.Others just can’t do that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted Sunday at 07:52 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:52 AM Barring injury, it's all over. It's hardly a surprise though, he's different gravy to everyone else in the field. Sadly, the only rider who is capable of challenging him is not even in it... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted Sunday at 07:57 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:57 AM 4 minutes ago, BluPanther said: Barring injury, it's all over. It's hardly a surprise though, he's different gravy to everyone else in the field. Sadly, the only rider who is capable of challenging him is not even in it... Laguta & sayfutinov wouldn’t make any difference sadly 🙈 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Sunday at 08:15 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:15 AM 29 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Bottom line is that he is a lot better than the rest.They certainly can't produce the passing skills he has.Especially his straight line inside one and still get the bike turned.You only have to watch last night when Lambert gave him some of his own treatment, he read it every time and retook him.Brilliant skills.Others just can’t do that. He truly "flies in" to a bend, cutting the apex, and can still keep the bike moving forwards, rather than locking it up, and getting "under passed"... Not seen too many able to do that to that level down the years... Also, I don't understand why some fans of Speedway complain about his domination... If he was a "gate and go" winner then I could maybe understand it, but he is far from that, and delivers some truly stand out moments almost every meeting he is in... For me, a unique talent that the sport has never seen the like of before... 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted Sunday at 08:35 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:35 AM 8 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: May be we force a reduction in the age of rider's in the series, if you're over 35 & not top 6 they can't get a wildcard?? Top 3 of the SGP2 series qualify?? Top 5 U25's from the Polish Ekstraliga automatically qualify for the SGP?? There must be some young, fast, loose cannons out there that can shake up the series?? Absolutely need to shake up the system in some way. We're just getting to much same old, same old qualifying from the GP Challenge, & wildcard picks. Think most fans want to see a complete shake up of the SGP Series in some way, shape or form. Traditionally under 21 riders have struggled. Even Jason Crump. Top 5 under 25 riders in PGE currently include Miskowiak and Mads Hansen. Not sure how that's an improvement. And these days many riders don't peak until 35 or so [e.g. Lindgren] so discarding them seems arbitrary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Sunday at 08:48 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:48 AM 25 minutes ago, mikebv said: Also, I don't understand why some fans of Speedway complain about his domination... If he was a "gate and go" winner then I could maybe understand it, but he is far from that, and delivers some truly stand out moments almost every meeting he is in... For me, a unique talent that the sport has never seen the like of before... At the risk of being called a racist or xenophobe (again) I really do think that his poor English language skills doesn't really help his cause for non-Polish Speedway fans, yes we can all see his skills on a Speedway bike that is not in doubt, but down the years we've always had riders that have been dominating Championships that have had excellent English language skills and when they're spoken to they are quite engaging, Tony Rickardsson stands out for me. Translating from Polish to English doesn't seem to be the easiest of things even Google struggles, so I fully understand why a lot of Polish riders struggle. We've never really seen Bartosz Zmarlik the man only the rider so it's difficult for some (yes me) to connect to him on a human level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Sunday at 08:59 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:59 AM 9 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Is there anyone who doesn’t admire Zmarzlik?? Maybe like myself, it's more of a frustration with everyone else. As I've said many times, everyone seems too soft on the guy. 9 out 10 times he passes without being challenged. When he misses a gate he'll get up the inside of someone & force his way past. Often squeezing opposition up against the fence. Absolutely nobody ever seems to return the favour on him. Absolutely, 100%, if Zmarzlik was in the era of Crump, Pedersen, Gollob etc they'd make sure he would be chewing on airfence occasionally. He is a gifted lad, but all everyone wants is a challenger &/or a rivalry. May be we force a reduction in the age of rider's in the series, if you're over 35 & not top 6 they can't get a wildcard?? Top 3 of the SGP2 series qualify?? Top 5 U25's from the Polish Ekstraliga automatically qualify for the SGP?? There must be some young, fast, loose cannons out there that can shake up the series?? Absolutely need to shake up the system in some way. We're just getting to much same old, same old qualifying from the GP Challenge, & wildcard picks. Think most fans want to see a complete shake up of the SGP Series in some way, shape or form. Agree regarding the same old,riders in GP should not be allowed in Qualifiers same season that way if your not in Top 7 you get a year out at least and have to qualify again. Lagata,Madsen,Dudek and Emil should still be in GP’s given their current form There are plenty others could shake it up but it’s finding a way of arranging Qualifying. 1 wildcard would be a good start.IMO Main trouble is there would be a lot of Poles in contention.Thats fine by me,but not everyone would want that.Dont really think Nationally really matters in Speedway would not affect the crowds in other Countries Points system is a joke and needs serious rethink.Think majority of fans would agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Sunday at 09:09 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:09 AM (edited) 54 minutes ago, mikebv said: He truly "flies in" to a bend, cutting the apex, and can still keep the bike moving forwards, rather than locking it up, and getting "under passed"... Not seen too many able to do that to that level down the years... Also, I don't understand why some fans of Speedway complain about his domination... If he was a "gate and go" winner then I could maybe understand it, but he is far from that, and delivers some truly stand out moments almost every meeting he is in... For me, a unique talent that the sport has never seen the like of before... I agree regarding him if he was a”gate and go”rider.Mauger as a “ gate and go “throughout his career and is considered the greatest ever ,was like watching paint dry.Bartosz is one of the most entertaining riders in the sport. 2 great GP’ at the weekend and ALL the rider played their part though. GP system needs sorted out though. Edited Sunday at 09:10 AM by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Sunday at 09:14 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:14 AM 2 hours ago, tellboy said: Well there was a little band of us attended the Friday meeting and thoroughly enjoyed the racing,and the result of course👍.As has been said though the downside was the organisation.We were in the East stand we got in ok,although my daughter and her friend had their bags tagged not checked though🤔.I was ok with the food no problem.There was no signs or information where to get programmes.Went to our seats,thought we were in the wrong section as the seats we thought we were in were taken.They were our seats but the people were told to sit there by stewards as there seats didn't exist.Could not hear the annoy whatsoever.My daughter witnessed stewards pushing people back trying to get into the East stand.Lessons to be learnt,hopefully Saturday went a bit more smoothly. We stayed over in the City centre and couldn't fault that whatsoever, lovely city with loads to do,China town,museums, galleries, trams,trains, bars,restaurants all on our doorstep,so much to do.Only a 10min train ride to the speedway,£4 return. All in all we will definitely be back next year👍 Certainly plenty to do in Manchester. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted Sunday at 09:25 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:25 AM 1 hour ago, BluPanther said: Barring injury, it's all over. It's hardly a surprise though, he's different gravy to everyone else in the field. Sadly, the only rider who is capable of challenging him is not even in it... Nope neither of the Russians can cope with the King. Polish averages again prove that again in 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Sunday at 09:29 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:29 AM Phil morris loosing his s**t at the poles for bringing flares 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted Sunday at 09:32 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:32 AM 32 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Agree regarding the same old,riders in GP should not be allowed in Qualifiers same season that way if your not in Top 7 you get a year out at least and have to qualify again. Madsen,Dudek should still be in GP’s given their current form Isn't that a bit contradictory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted Sunday at 09:37 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:37 AM 23 hours ago, Sir Sidney said: I was in the East Stand. Whilst I don't wish to minimise the problems some people had, I suffered none of those. In early, fed and watered with no queue, used loos and went to seat. No problems. So many sporting events have issues with getting food and drink during the event, so that's not unique to Belle Vue. That said, Belle Vue need to ensure today that everyone gets in on time, and preferably the PA works. But far from a shambles from my point of view. Ask me again later to see if I have a different view after tonight Not sure if it is etiquette to quote myself! However, last night the organisation was much, much better. Credit to Belle Vue management for listening and reacting. In the East stand there were double the amount of ticket checkers so everyone was in easily by start time. Food outlets were still busy but the queue moved quickly - it looked to me tgat they had lots cooking in readiness for orders coming in Extra bar facility added overnight. The PA was better, but still needs to be louder, and there will never be enough toilets - but queues manageable. For next time I hooe tgey will improve PA, get more food and drink outlets ( maybe get them in the Fan Zone and make that available during the meeting to East Stand ticket holders). Overall, a fabulous weekend with brilliant speedway. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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