LagutaRacingFan Posted Sunday at 01:37 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:37 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, SUPERACE said: Yes because Zamarzlik is gate and go, he never passes anyone 🤣 Laguta is impossible to pass when he makes the gate. Even Zmarzlik got fed up, I remember when Bartosz started complaining about Laguta's tyres. He cried to the FIM like a little baby. Edited Sunday at 01:38 PM by LagutaRacingFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted Sunday at 02:03 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:03 PM spent afternoon in city centre, before going to speedway load of girls/women walking round with their arse cheeks hanging out. was quite a sight. 🤪 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Sunday at 02:11 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:11 PM 33 minutes ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Laguta is impossible to pass when he makes the gate. Even Zmarzlik got fed up, I remember when Bartosz started complaining about Laguta's tyres. He cried to the FIM like a little baby. 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted Sunday at 02:32 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:32 PM 1 hour ago, therefused said: Why are you talking about bombs for some weird reason? Literally not relevant to the conversation at all It is relevant. Flares, amongst other things, are not allowed, but they got in. Bag searches were being done, perhaps hapazordly. So if flares didn't get picked up what other things could have sneaked in. If you recall a few years ago someone got past security at the Manchester Arena, left a bag with a bomb in it and a large number mostly kids got killed. If security is lax anything could go on, not only bombs....machetes, you name it, it could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted Sunday at 02:38 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:38 PM and apart from "what happened to Bewley last night", what happened to Holder and Lambert both nights? And what happened to gate 3, why was it giving such bad results? It's not usually that bad if I recall correctly. Was the track prepared differently last night? Same riders, but the racing didn't seem quite as good as Friday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted Sunday at 02:46 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:46 PM 2 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: he couldn’t eliminate laguta as a threat I think as I said before BZ is a better more mature and experienced rider than he was in 2021 ,I think he would have beaten Laguta if he were the rider he is now then if you follow my logic . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted Sunday at 03:18 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:18 PM (edited) 5 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: Comments like this are so stupid. So if you go off Polish averages why don’t you just have Zmarzlik and 15 British championship riders in the SGP and give up by your logic? To challenge you need a one off good night. You don’t need to be top of the averages in the Polish league do you. Zmarzlik is the top rider and everyone agrees with that it’s not even in doubt, but you need guys who can beat him on a track to be in the SGP which the Russians have. Not BS riders in the Grand Prix just because its brings a different demographic. I don't have the stats but Bartosz is about 1020 ish and Emil is about 8.20. Big difference imo! Therefore I'm not really sure what the rush is to get Emil back in the SGP other than his name. I'd say his UK performances so far this year have been underwhelming based on what I have observed. Beaten comfortably by Jason Edwards!!!! Emil of two years ago a hundred percent - however currently not in the same postcode in my opinion. Edited Sunday at 03:21 PM by Robinh88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Sunday at 03:20 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:20 PM 1 hour ago, gjcone44 said: spent afternoon in city centre, before going to speedway load of girls/women walking round with their arse cheeks hanging out. was quite a sight. 🤪 Didn't get that at Cardiff..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted Sunday at 03:47 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:47 PM 6 hours ago, Fromafar said: Certainly plenty to do in Manchester. we stayed last night in Machester. The difference i found was when we went into spoons probably a handful of speedway fans in, where as in Cardiff it was like a reunion with fans you know from other tracks. Sat in the East Stand £79 a ticket and never heard one single announcement time or anything else. Racing was decent enough and the weather was a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukasdrymllukas Posted Sunday at 03:56 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:56 PM Blimey, there's some entitled fans on this forum... Try finding any live speedway if you live in Brighton...Either Poole 🤮 or Oxford closest at over 100 miles away! Belle Vue was brilliant, great track, great racing and lovely friendly people... Can't wait till next year 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted Sunday at 03:58 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:58 PM 3 hours ago, racers and royals said: Which reference to the last sentence means nothing. The rules were set for 2025, the riders know they apply to all 10 rounds - and i like it. All races count to get in top 2. All races count to get into top 10 and the higher you are means better gate picks and if finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th in LCQ higher GP points awarded. what i don’t like however is that in a tie and 1st, 2nds etc won’t split, fastest times are used instead of head to heads- ridiculous !! But scoring 12pts means nothing as Max Fricke found out to his cost. A ridiculous scoring system when a rider scores 12pts and one bad ride in LCQ and its over. fair enough, but to take 4pts off his score and give Lambert 11pts, who to be fair struggled to get 7pts is not right. If you have scored 12pts then surely thats what you should end up with. Like wise, if you score 7pts then thats is what you should get. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted Sunday at 04:03 PM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:03 PM 1 minute ago, tyler42 said: But scoring 12pts means nothing as Max Fricke found out to his cost. A ridiculous scoring system when a rider scores 12pts and one bad ride in LCQ and its over. fair enough, but to take 4pts off his score and give Lambert 11pts, who to be fair struggled to get 7pts is not right. If you have scored 12pts then surely thats what you should end up with. Like wise, if you score 7pts then thats is what you should get. Why ? GP points are not race points. They want meetings to finish in a final and i know it was confusing when the winner of the final didn’t go home with the most points. The riders understand the system and in my opinion it’s good for TV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted Sunday at 04:20 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:20 PM (edited) You might think it's good for TV, but is it good for the credibility of the sport? If people found it confusing in the past, then the fives rides is your score towards the championship and you can have a final with the four top riders to get a GP winner. That would surely keep the TV happy and also a much fairer system, as the rider who scores the most pts over the season is the champion. At least the riders who make the top six or is it seven whatever the cut for the following season is, have done it off the back of what they scored not what they were awarded. Edited Sunday at 04:45 PM by tyler42 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted Sunday at 04:22 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:22 PM 24 minutes ago, lukasdrymllukas said: Blimey, there's some entitled fans on this forum... Try finding any live speedway if you live in Brighton...Either Poole 🤮 or Oxford closest at over 100 miles away! Belle Vue was brilliant, great track, great racing and lovely friendly people... Can't wait till next year It is a great racetrack i always enjoy my visits. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted Sunday at 04:36 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:36 PM Overall, I do not think anyone has too much to complain about. The racing was good, two different winners, track held up well compared to the temporary tracks and the non speedway issues such as catering and ticket may need addressing but overall a good weekend of racing for the tight knit community of speedway followers. A shame it does not even make 1 on the Richter scale of press reporting and maybe the limited attendance when other sports probably get far more through the gate on a regular basis means it is not exactly going to register as a high profile event for ‘Joe public’. The sport has a lot to do to if it wants to get in front of more people in the UK and maybe it needs to ditch the current business model. What would work is only going to come about by trial and error. For example consider a sprint championship with races at every league meeting culminating in a knock out competition which would then be followed by league meeting with five or six man teams followed by a second half for the rising talent and let’s this be the equivalent of the SGP2. Stop time wasting, as one race finishes get the riders out. Start offences, riders straight back round to the tapes. Rider breaks the tapes, back off 15 mtrs. Just ideas but sadly as it is the sport is the pimple on the arse of world sports entertainment. Most probably wish that those in charge could recognise the issues but alas many have the head buried in the sand syndrome. Hopefully this years problems of the non speedway issues will be sorted for next and we get treated to a feast of speedway at Belle Vue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Sunday at 04:49 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:49 PM 25 minutes ago, tyler42 said: You might think it's good for TV, but is it good for the credibility of the sport? If people found it confusing in the past, then the fives rides is your score towards the championship and you can have a final with the four top riders to get a GP winner. That would surely keep the TV happy and also a much fairer system, as the rider who scores the most pts over the season is the champion. At least the riders who make the top six or is it seven whatever the cut for the following season have done it off the back of what they scored not what they were awarded. It it not good for credibility of the Sport. Looking at the effort put into TV coverage ,they don’t put in a lot of effort these days. camera work was pathetic.IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted Sunday at 05:07 PM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 05:07 PM 36 minutes ago, tyler42 said: You might think it's good for TV, but is it good for the credibility of the sport? If people found it confusing in the past, then the fives rides is your score towards the championship and you can have a final with the four top riders to get a GP winner. That would surely keep the TV happy and also a much fairer system, as the rider who scores the most pts over the season is the champion. At least the riders who make the top six or is it seven whatever the cut for the following season is, have done it off the back of what they scored not what they were awarded. There is no awarding - the winner of the GP gets 20 points and so on. After 20 heats there is a ranking of the riders from 1-16. If riders 3-16 don’t win a LCQ they know they can’t score more than 12. Wonder if the riders who finish in the top 2 after the 20 heats actually are more than happy that they don’t have to face the old style semi’s. We are not going to agree. The FIM/WBD made the decision in the winter and if next winter they don’t think it’s been successful then no doubt they will change it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattB Posted Sunday at 05:08 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 05:08 PM 2 hours ago, FAST GATER said: I think as I said before BZ is a better more mature and experienced rider than he was in 2021 ,I think he would have beaten Laguta if he were the rider he is now then if you follow my logic . One of the great "what ifs" for me is Darcy Ward. Had a stayed fit and got his head right, he would've been a big danger to Zmarzlik in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Sunday at 05:12 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 05:12 PM 2 minutes ago, racers and royals said: There is no awarding - the winner of the GP gets 20 points and so on. After 20 heats there is a ranking of the riders from 1-16. If riders 3-16 don’t win a LCQ they know they can’t score more than 12. Wonder if the riders who finish in the top 2 after the 20 heats actually are more than happy that they don’t have to face the old style semi’s. We are not going to agree. The FIM/WBD made the decision in the winter and if next winter they don’t think it’s been successful then no doubt they will change it. I think Top 2 to Final.Next 4 run-off for final 2 places would be fairer.IMO.Then points awarded to what you scored in Heats if not in Final . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted Sunday at 05:17 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 05:17 PM 9 minutes ago, MattB said: One of the great "what ifs" for me is Darcy Ward. Had a stayed fit and got his head right, he would've been a big danger to Zmarzlik in my opinion. Or Zmarzlik would have been a danger to Darcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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